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Canadian fossil makes waves in Huckabee's presidential run
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | Friday, January 11, 2008 | Randy Boswell

Posted on 01/11/2008 10:18:38 AM PST by fanfan

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To: cripplecreek

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...I’m a creationist / evolutionist...
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Me too, cripplecreek. It is so obvious yet so many people miss it.

God created the Universe. God created all the natural laws by which this most elegant Universe operates. Scientists are about discovering all those natural (scientific) laws.

Is God a scofflaw? Isn’t it logical that God would create using the natural laws of this Universe?

What is your opinion on this?


21 posted on 01/11/2008 10:39:32 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fredhead and proud of it!)
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To: fanfan
Canadian fossil

Gordon Lightfin ?

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22 posted on 01/11/2008 10:44:53 AM PST by repentant_pundit (Strong leaders are overrated. We need strong followers...of the Constitution)
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To: AppyPappy

ROTFLMAO!!!


23 posted on 01/11/2008 10:45:02 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: SatinDoll; cripplecreek

I’m “nuetral” on evolution. I don’t think evolution necessarily contradicts the Bible, if you take “day” as a relative length of time (einstein relativity of time), and take the words meaning “create” as not implying by what process, but I also think, from a small amount of reading, that the theory of natural selection itself is weak as an explanation of major evolutionary changes and is not proving out.


24 posted on 01/11/2008 10:45:51 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: meandog

But,but,but there was this rock laying around with nothing better to do and got hit by lightning and turned into every living thing.


25 posted on 01/11/2008 10:47:31 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: SatinDoll

When God breathed life into Adam I see it as meaning that God breathed a soul and humanity into Adam. As far as the ultimate creation of the universe is concerned, I don’t know how someone can look to the stars at night or into the eyes of a child and not believe in God.


26 posted on 01/11/2008 10:48:33 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: trumandogz

That’s how tenures are passed out.


27 posted on 01/11/2008 10:49:19 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: fanfan
Though he has tried to avoid the issue in recent months, Mr. Huckabee's views about evolution are coming under renewed scrutiny...

Has Huckabee expressed an opinion yet on the age of the earth?

28 posted on 01/11/2008 10:50:02 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Greg F

I accept evolution as theory.


29 posted on 01/11/2008 10:51:06 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yah. I certainly would agree that evolution is a theory!


30 posted on 01/11/2008 10:52:08 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: fanfan

If this fossil represents a species intermediate between fishes and amphibians, it’s hardly one of earth’s “most primitive” species—it was a vertebrate, much more complex and developed than tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of species.


31 posted on 01/11/2008 10:54:22 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: fanfan

The only science allowed in the Presidential Campaign entertainment show is Global Warming.


32 posted on 01/11/2008 10:54:30 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: cripplecreek

I understand that both evolution and gravity are theories.


33 posted on 01/11/2008 10:54:45 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: fanfan

I do not understand the hostility to the idea of teaching ID. Some scientists act as if science is somehow degraded by ID, for reasons I don’t understand. Granted, if I had cancer and the researchers were reading about ID instead of trying to find a scientific cure, I wouldn’t like it, but evolution/natural selection is not an APPLIED science, so what does it hurt to combine it with ID? After all, science has never found a satisfactory explanation of time, light, matter, consciousness, eternity ... thus begging for an answer regarding creation. The question of creation is more pressing than any purely “scientific” theory of genetic variance.


34 posted on 01/11/2008 10:55:23 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Coyoteman

Mike will get back to you after he reviews an episode of the Flintstones.


35 posted on 01/11/2008 10:56:03 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: taxesareforever
Huckabee has stated his belief in ID. He does not believe in the six day creation so where does he believe man came from and when?

The real question is by saying he rejects the literal interpretation of Genesis and the young earth dogma of the fundamentalists, is the Arkansas Elmer Gantry going to turn off some of his evangelical supporters?

36 posted on 01/11/2008 10:58:29 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: mnehrling

There are those who dismiss the notion that God played any role in the creation of the universe. I keep asking them if God(s) also evolved from the same event or if they mean there is no God.


37 posted on 01/11/2008 10:59:51 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: trumandogz
Perhaps, all scientific questions should be answered by public opinion polls.

The science of global warming is being determined by "consensus" and not actual "findings".

38 posted on 01/11/2008 11:04:57 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: weegee
Perhaps, but public opinion on Global Warming and Evolution and Creation are equally ludicrous.
39 posted on 01/11/2008 11:07:12 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: dinoparty
I do not understand the hostility to the idea of teaching ID. Some scientists act as if science is somehow degraded by ID, for reasons I don’t understand.

ID is not science. It is religion in disguise, dreamed up after the U.S. Supreme Court removed creation "science" from the classrooms. And creation "science" was the response to an earlier court decision removing creationism from the classrooms.

Further, ID cannot live within the normal rules of science. The desire to be considered a scientific "theory" without going through the normal process (data, hypothesis, testing, peer review, etc.) is just the first problem. Second, ID has no research program. It is being entirely pushed in the political arena by the Discovery Institute, by lawyers, PR flaks, journalists and the like. That does not impress scientists much. Finally, ID does not follow the scientific method. It starts with the answer it wants and seeks to "prove" that answer by any means possible--except science and the scientific method.

Here is a good article on the subject: What Is The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design?, by Lenny Flank. This goes into much more detail.

40 posted on 01/11/2008 11:09:34 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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