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Edwards Needs A Little More Than One Data Point (Nataline Sarkisyan and American health-care)
Captain's Quarters ^ | Jan. 11, 2008 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 01/11/2008 12:13:07 PM PST by jdm

John Edwards has used the story of Nataline Sarkisyan on the campaign trail to underscore the heartlessness of the American health-care industry, and specifically its insurers. The teenager died from complications of liver failure and cancer, after applying for and initially being rejected for a liver transplant. Edwards wants to remake the health-care system in order to prevent anyone from being denied a transplant, but as the Wall Street Journal points out, the Sarkisyan case was a good deal more complicated than Edwards lets on -- and the US leads government-run health care systems around the world in transplants:

Research provides little support to Mr. Edward's underlying premise that single-payer health-care systems would do better. On balance, data suggests that in the U.S. transplant patients do quite well compared to their European counterparts, with significantly more opportunities to undergo transplant procedures, survive the surgery, and benefit from new organs.

Some of the best data pits the U.S. against the U.K. and its National Health Service. A study published in 2004 in the journal Liver Transplantation compared the relative severity of liver disease in transplant recipients in the U.S. and U.K. The results were striking. No patient in the U.K. was in intensive care before transplantation, one marker for how sick patients are, compared with 19.3% of recipients in the U.S. Additionally, the median for a score used to assess how advanced someone's liver disease is, the "MELD" score, was 10.9 in the U.K. compared with 16.1 in the U.S. -- a marked gap, with higher scores for more severe conditions. Both facts suggest even the sickest patients are getting access to new organs in the U.S.

On the whole, the U.S. also performs more transplants per capita, giving patients better odds of getting new organs. Doctors here do far more partial liver transplants from living, related donors, but also more cadaveric transplants (where the organ comes from a deceased donor). In 2002 -- a year comparative data is available -- U.S. doctors performed 18.5 liver transplants per one million Americans. This is significantly more than in the U.K. or in single-payer France, which performed 4.6 per million citizens, or in Canada, which performed 10 per million.

What about the differences in outcomes between ours and single-payer systems, an issue Mr. Edwards hasn't directly addressed? One recent study found that patients' five-year mortality after transplants for acute liver failure, the type from which Ms. Sarkisyan presumably suffered, was about 5% higher in the U.K. and Irleand than the U.S. The same study also found that in the period right after surgery, death rates were as much as 27% higher in the U.K. and Ireland than in the U.S., although differences in longer-term outcomes equilibrated once patients survived the first year of their transplant.

Some people do get so sick that they cannot receive transplants, and sometimes the transplant simply won't solve the problem. We've been through four transplants ourselves, and the transplant teams explain that in the beginning of the process. They will not use up a viable organ that could go to someone else on a patient unlikely to survive the surgery or its immediate aftermath. That appears to have been what CIGNA concluded in this instance, although their concern was still obviously the cost and not the organ.

In working with two different transplant centers, though, the message we always got was that insurance hassles would not stand in the way of saving lives. If the doctors felt the transplant was necessary, they would do it and worry about the billing situation afterwards if an organ became available. I can't speak specifically to what the Sarkisyans were told, obviously, but we never heard at any time that insurance would stop the transplant or the medications that followed it.

The numbers bear this out. More Americans receive transplants in this system than others do in any other single-payer health system. Part of this springs from the fact that we have more facilities to do transplants, as the people who comprise the medical teams get compensated for the additional education and training -- years of it -- that transplant surgeries require. In the UK three years ago, hospitals were discussing the necessity of discarding viable organs because the NHS didn't have enough surgeons qualified to do the transplants.

Not every transplant case has a happy ending, and the case of Nataline Sarkisyan is tragic. But when people propose transforming a health-care system based on a single anecdotal data point while ignoring the real success we have with American health care, it's not just demagoguery. It will cost lives, and they may belong to people we know and love -- like the First Mate.

UPDATE: Bruce Kesler points out more criticsm of Edwards here and here.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: datapoint; johnedwards

1 posted on 01/11/2008 12:13:12 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

I just have one question.

Is there a dead female Johnny Edwards HASN’T USED to further himself in this life?


2 posted on 01/11/2008 12:18:38 PM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: jdm

Walter Williams has the correct solution to this problem. Let the family of a potential donor SELL the organs. Donorship will go through the roof and end the shortage.


3 posted on 01/11/2008 12:21:18 PM PST by Bob Buchholz
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To: jdm
yea yea, the Anne Frank approach to debating.

The fact that this guy is a lawyer is obvious. It’s all hot air.

4 posted on 01/11/2008 12:31:23 PM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: jdm

“remake the health-care system in order to prevent anyone from being denied a transplant,”

he’s going to increase the number of organs available? Even China says they have stopped organ farming.

It’s not your insurance company, it’s the availability of a liver, then the question becomes, which of the 100 people waiting gets it? The unlucky souls who must make this decision take lots into consideration, but I don’t think insurance coverage is high on the list.

Course this is the guy who said that if he were elected he’d legalize adult stem cell research and chris reeves would walk. yes I know stem cell research is not banned at the federal level.


5 posted on 01/11/2008 1:05:04 PM PST by Ender Wiggin
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To: Bob Buchholz

Let the family of a potential donor SELL the organs.

A simple change to ebay’s rules would do it.

I’d lease my corneas.


6 posted on 01/11/2008 1:06:34 PM PST by Ender Wiggin
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To: jdm

Was there a liver available? No one has said...


7 posted on 01/11/2008 1:17:46 PM PST by Fem Vet (Go Fred!)
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To: jdm
Why didn't Nataline Sarkisyan go to Canada or the UK for a FREE liver transplant?

If someone answers "because she's not a citizen", that just shows how nationalistic and restrictive these FREE healthcase systems are.

Non-citizens are free to avail themselves of our healthcare system. And many Canadians and Brits, who are in long lines waiting for vital medical care, are doing just that.

8 posted on 01/11/2008 1:20:58 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: Ender Wiggin
I would not think it unreasonable to believe his assault on thee healthcare system when he was a trial attorney has damaged the system for decades to come. Someone needs to discuss cause and effect with him. Apparently he isn’t getting it.
9 posted on 01/11/2008 8:29:03 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is America's George Galloway?)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; Lynne; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; ...
Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this ping list.
10 posted on 01/12/2008 7:08:24 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Ender Wiggin
In the UK three years ago, hospitals were discussing the necessity of discarding viable organs because the NHS didn't have enough surgeons qualified to do the transplants.

Not only increase the number of organs but once we have "universal" health care and the shortages start how is he going to increase the number of surgeons able to do the transplants?!

Who would want to go through the rigors of Med. school, residency, fellowship etc..to work for a nanny state? No thanks.
11 posted on 01/12/2008 7:31:09 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Bob Buchholz

Any chance of that being abused?

Ever watched people behave when a will is involved? It can really bring out the worst in human beings. This solution seems too dangerous for the likes of me.


12 posted on 01/12/2008 5:18:24 PM PST by long hard slogger (If you're going through hell, keep going. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Fem Vet

If we devote more research to adult or umbilical cord stem cell research, this scenario will be obsolete. Transplanting organs will seem so twentieth century once medicine perfects implanting stem cells.

OK.
Dream over.


13 posted on 01/12/2008 5:21:16 PM PST by long hard slogger (If you're going through hell, keep going. - Winston Churchill)
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To: long hard slogger

the left is masterful at using emotional anecdotes and raw numbers (rather than percentages) to push their policies...at worst, 15% of Americans are uninsured (for health), so 85% are insured, and this means we have a crisis?


14 posted on 01/12/2008 6:04:35 PM PST by publius_in_abq
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