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Answers for the FairTax Faction (Why It's More Complicated than Simple)
Townhall ^ | 01/11/2008 | Jerry Bowyer

Posted on 01/12/2008 1:06:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: lewislynn
Thanks, I see what you are getting at; I wish that the author had actually mentioned section 801 in the article.

Having thought about it, it appears that the author of the original article is probably correct on this point also.

It appears to me that in fact 801 is probably worse policy than simply computing the imputed value of the sale because of the excess interest charge and charging the FairTax on that hypothetical sale value. By charging 30% on the putative excess of interest on each payment, that means that the borrower is paying an extraordinary penalty for any interest rate above the section 805 "basic interest rate".

21 posted on 01/12/2008 2:12:50 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: tiger-one

Just buy used food. These Fairtaxers have been selling it for years.


22 posted on 01/12/2008 2:22:11 PM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: SeekAndFind
What about the guy who earns $12,000 a year ? Or $20,000 a year or $24,000 a year ?

I do not care how much a person earns a year, they only get one ballot to fill out come election time. And yes they all get a tax bill for an equal amount. This is what equality under the law is all about.

23 posted on 01/12/2008 2:39:44 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mark was here

You said for a guy earning a million — $1200 a hundred bucks a month should do it. If as you said, “they all get a tax bill for an equal amount”. Then the guy earning 12,000 gets to pay that same amount a month. $1200 X 12 = $14,400. Where is this guy going to get the $2400 he owes ?


24 posted on 01/12/2008 2:52:59 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Mark was here

I made a mistake, you said that the millionaire actually pays just $1,200 a year and that’s all. Fine, that means the guy earning $12,000 a year pays 10% of his salary in taxes and the millionaire pays close to zero percent of his salary in taxes.

The implication is this -— Let’s say there are 200 million taxpayers in this country, each paying $1,200 a year.

That means the US government collects :

200,000,000 X $1,200 = $240 Billion in taxes.

Try defending the country and keeping the peace and securing our borders ( the essential role of government ) and maybe keeping the country’s infrastructure on that amount.


25 posted on 01/12/2008 3:00:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, NEW is the keyword. The FT applies to purchases of NEW goods and services by the end user.

Gas for your car would be taxed; but keep in mind the currently embedded income tax considerations would be removed.

Materials for home repairs would be subject to the tax

Materials for auto repairs would be taxed.


26 posted on 01/12/2008 3:05:14 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Guess Congress will have to cut back on their pensions.


27 posted on 01/12/2008 3:09:46 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Your Nightmare; Always Right; lewislynn; lucysmom; robertpaulsen; Filo; longtermmemmory; ...

“short-bus fairtaxers ping”


28 posted on 01/12/2008 3:10:56 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Starwolf

How about a simple 10% of all income.

God asks for 10%, I think government can get by on the same amount.

People end up with 80-90% of whatever they earn, depending how well they give to their church/religion. Bill comes early January, get until April 15 to pay it. Gives people plenty of time to set aside during the year in an account to earn interest. They know right up front exactly what rate (10%) they will be paying.

These high rates of the Fair Tax/National Sales tax (anywhere from 23-30%) are completely unfair and socialist and are WAY, WAY, WAY TOO HIGH to have majority support. You may as well turn your whole damn check over and let them give you a sliver back.


29 posted on 01/12/2008 3:43:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: B.O. Plenty
Under the Fair Tax....you don't have to pay if you don't want to....just don't buy anything new!
Don't buy:
New groceries
New gasoline.
New water service.
New sewer service.
New electricity.
New gas/heating oil
New car parts.
New tires.
New haircut.
New rent/mortgage.
30 posted on 01/12/2008 4:29:20 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lewislynn
Just think you could be a millionaire and live just like the peasants outside of Mexico City..
31 posted on 01/12/2008 4:47:54 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: lewislynn
Sorry Lewis that you don't understand freedom.

I would guess that after a fair tax is implemented, everybody would be paying about the same as before..

..the point is that the most egregious tyranny that is operating in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave would be gone! No more April 15th....no more keeping little scraps of paper just to "prove" you are not a crook.....no more confiscation of your pay by someone else....you get it all. There is absolutely nothing standing in the way of Congress moving the max tax rate right now to 100% other than for the moment, we still are an armed population.

If God abandons us this election, and Hillary or Hussein Obama wins the Presidency, and the 'rats get the House and Senate...the 100% max tax rate will be a lot closer than you think.

Freedom is the issue here.....and as we all know.....

Freedom is not free.

32 posted on 01/12/2008 5:00:49 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I think 10% cap on COMBINED STATE AND FEDERAL taxes should be mandatory.

If the federal sales tax is 5% then the max state sales tax is 5%.

Also state income taxes should be prohibited constitutionally.


33 posted on 01/12/2008 5:01:05 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I have only spent a couple of hours on it ***********************************************
Funny ,, you were an expert last week...


34 posted on 01/12/2008 5:05:30 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: B.O. Plenty
You do know that obsessive/compulsive disorder can be treated..

So can Irrational Rage Syndrome

35 posted on 01/12/2008 5:19:32 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not to mention food, child care, utilities, repairs, perhaps lawyers will begin selling used wills.


36 posted on 01/12/2008 5:22:55 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: PubliusMM
Materials for home repairs would be subject to the tax

Materials for auto repairs would be taxed.

As would labor be taxed if you pay some one to do the work.

37 posted on 01/12/2008 5:27:44 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump for later reading.


38 posted on 01/12/2008 5:30:50 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, the apologists who responded to me did not even remotely deal with the problem of the interest portion of mortgages.
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The “expert” who wrote this column is so totally clueless (probably intentionally) that he is worried about deducting his interest on his home mortgage from his income tax when THERE WILL NO LONGER BE AN INCOME TAX ... cranks and crackpots like this are just attempting to “muddy the waters” on what is a very simple concept...


39 posted on 01/12/2008 5:37:25 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

Clueless?

No, he accurately described the angry, bitter, and insulting behavior of FT/TP’s to a “T”


40 posted on 01/12/2008 5:39:57 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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