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Answers for the FairTax Faction (Why It's More Complicated than Simple)
Townhall ^ | 01/11/2008 | Jerry Bowyer

Posted on 01/12/2008 1:06:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: B.O. Plenty

“Under the Fair Tax....you don’t have to pay if you don’t want to....just don’t buy anything new!”

Wow, you’re right! The Fairy Taxers could just eat used food!


41 posted on 01/12/2008 5:44:30 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

That goes nicely with “used undies” and used “TP”


42 posted on 01/12/2008 5:45:39 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: SeekAndFind
People opposed to the Fair Tax are simply afraid of freedom and liberty

I am a Grandfather X2 and I will never understand this.

43 posted on 01/12/2008 5:47:48 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
If FT’s really cared about freedom, they would be working to restore the individual right of the 2nd amendment...

The FT is a giant Red Herring - and designed to totally screw the baby boomers about ready to retire.

44 posted on 01/12/2008 5:50:30 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: SeekAndFind
Say, I earn one million dollars a year. Someone from across town earns $12,000 a year. What should be our tax bill ?

The federal budget divided by the population count.

45 posted on 01/12/2008 5:51:16 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: SeekAndFind

If non-specified, business will simply give big discounts on price and then make up for it in the interest calculation, as interest is deemed non-taxable. These calculations are highly malleable and can become very complex. Homes will be financed with low-ball prices and high interest rates, and sup-prime mortgages will skyrocket.
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Hey Brainiac ,, if you’re willing to sell me a new Cadillac for $12,000.00 at 100% interest for 72 months or a new 3000 sq/ft home with a pool and a 3 car garage for half price I’LL TAKE IT...

And before the first payment is due I’ll refi at my local CU at 6% and pay you off... (businesses will refi at GE Credit or simply float a bond issue).

You have no faith in the free markets correcting for such shenanigans do you? I guarantee that Boeing will sell only one plane at 75% off before they get burned and never do that again.

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Does it apply to non-profits?
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Without having to worry about losing their tax exemption churches will regain freedom to speak to the issues of the day ,, they will also have greatly increased donations as their parishioners will become wealthier ....

It should be noted that tax ememption for property tax and such is not a federal issue and would not change...

The FairTax would be good for non-profits.


46 posted on 01/12/2008 5:53:23 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: xcamel; All
The FT is a giant Red Herring - and designed to totally screw the baby boomers about ready to retire.

I'm a boomer who has already retired and it sure a H*LL wouldn't screw me!

I've run my numbers on the FairTax Calculator every way I can think of and have yet to find a scenario where I don't come out better under the FairTax than I do under the present system.

Give it a try in the privacy of your own home with your real numbers and see how YOU would fare under the FairTax.

47 posted on 01/12/2008 6:00:39 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: xcamel
“That goes nicely with “used undies” and used “TP””

When you challenge the problems with the fairy tax they seem to get their used undies in a twist.

48 posted on 01/12/2008 6:00:45 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Neidermeyer

Churches would pay the FairTax on all their purchases that weren’t for resale. Kotlikoff estimated that non-profits, including churches, would have paid ~$36 billion in FairTax last year. A church could pay taxes now and speak about whatever they wanted.


49 posted on 01/12/2008 6:01:16 PM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Beagle8U
When you challenge the problems with the fairy tax they seem to get their used undies in a twist.

Any "problems" associated with the Fair Tax are overwhelmingly eclipsed by the problems associated with the present taxation system.

50 posted on 01/12/2008 6:05:22 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: xcamel
Thanks for the advice........

but getting rid of the graduated income tax remains a freedom issue....seems like all some can do is whine about the cost..

51 posted on 01/12/2008 6:05:55 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: elkfersupper
Any "problems" associated with the Fair Tax are overwhelmingly eclipsed by the problems associated with the present taxation system.

That is EXTREMELY well said and absolutely true!

Bears repeating often!

52 posted on 01/12/2008 6:11:36 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: elkfersupper
The fairy tax would royally screw anyone making over poverty level and under 200k.
53 posted on 01/12/2008 6:12:23 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: B.O. Plenty
but getting rid of the graduated income tax remains a freedom issue....seems like all some can do is whine about the cost..

Yes indeed!

We will never again be a truly FREE people for so long as we continue to abide the Communist inspired progressive income tax and the IRS!

54 posted on 01/12/2008 6:14:07 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: lucysmom

Yes, services are subject to the FT, as well.


55 posted on 01/12/2008 6:16:41 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: longtermmemmory

I wouldn’t have a problem with what you are saying. Sounds good to me.


56 posted on 01/12/2008 6:16:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Beagle8U
The fairy tax would royally screw anyone making over poverty level and under 200k.

B.S. and who cares?

57 posted on 01/12/2008 6:17:47 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Your Nightmare

Churches would pay the FairTax on all their purchases that weren’t for resale. Kotlikoff estimated that non-profits, including churches, would have paid ~$36 billion in FairTax last year. A church could pay taxes now and speak about whatever they wanted.
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Sure they could renounce their tax exempt status and be free (This is a freedom issue) today ... but then they would be paying Income Tax... Did Kotlikoff also state that the same $36B is paid TODAY by non-profits in the embedded taxes on the purchases they make?? If not he is distorting the argument by discounting the current (hidden) taxation...

I am amazed at the lengths people will go in an attempt to retain the yoke and whip of the Income Tax.


58 posted on 01/12/2008 6:20:33 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: B.O. Plenty
Sorry Lewis that you don't understand freedom.
One of us doesn't or we simply define it differently.
59 posted on 01/12/2008 6:22:40 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Beagle8U

The fairy tax would royally screw anyone making over poverty level and under 200k.
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Since thats probably 90%+ of the population I’d have to say that they are paying most of the taxes now...

What’s your basis for that assumption?


60 posted on 01/12/2008 6:26:03 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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