Posted on 01/12/2008 7:00:04 PM PST by Monitor
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning
Author: Jonah Goldberg
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About the Program
Jonah Goldberg explores the political theories of fascism and contends that there are several colloaries between the politics of the left and fascist ideology. Jonah Goldberg presents his book at The Heritage Foundation in Washington DC.
About the Author
Jonah Goldberg is contributing editor for the National Review and a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. Mr. Goldberg's writing has appeared in several publications, including "The New Yorker," "Wall Street Journal" and "USA Today."
You don’t feel awe at my big money? Well, I feel superior knowing that I earn so much more than you. But then I realize that being superior to people like you is nothing to write home about.
Debating with people like you is like debating with the 9/11 “truthers.” There’s no way to get through to them. They’re oblivious to reality, just like you are.
Anonymous cowards like you stink up the entire web, including this website. You are a blemish on FR, and I wish I could just pop you like a big pimple.
You donÂ’t feel awe at my big money? Well, I feel superior knowing that I earn so much more than you. But then I realize that being superior to people like you is nothing to write home about.Snoogums, the Japanese have a phrase, 負け犬の遠吠え, "a beaten dog squeals most".
Debating with people like you is like debating with the 9/11 “truthers.” There’s no way to get through to them. They’re oblivious to reality, just like you are.
Anonymous cowards like you stink up the entire web, including this website. You are a blemish on FR, and I wish I could just pop you like a big pimple.
Yeah, I’m “squealing” about the anonymous scum like you, who deny reality, then insult people who don’t.
You hide inside your little cocoon of anonymity and imagine that you have “won” something.
Go ahead, imagine that you’ve “won” in your deluded little world. And don’t forget to keep those toilets clean, loser.
Yeah, I’m “squealing” about the anonymous scum like you, who deny reality, then insult people who don’t.Aaaah... snoogums. One of these days you'll figure out where you went wrong. How old are you again? Hopefully there's still time for you.
You hide inside your little cocoon of anonymity and imagine that you have “won” something.
Go ahead, imagine that you’ve “won” in your deluded little world. And don’t forget to keep those toilets clean, loser.
“Snoogums, ...”
It just hit me that I am probably dealing with a woman here — or a gay man. Am I right? Or are you ashamed of your gender too?
It just hit me that I am probably dealing with a woman here — or a gay man. Am I right? Or are you ashamed of your gender too?I'm only gay for you, snoogums.
“I’m only gay for you, snoogums.”
Well, I guess it’s only natural. I am quite the hunk.
The whole liberalism is fascism carnard doesn't inform debate, it just inflames emotions and rallies the faithful.
is very well addressed by Goldberg in how he frames his overall arguement.
This isn't a short thematic book as is typically put out by a columnist. His NR-online editorship had me prepared for such as well. Instead, it is a major piece of scholarship framed in good, reasoned and readable rhetorical arguement and well worth the read.
I would say I was blown away by the caliber of the book. I find his columns readable but he has really steped up to a higher rung with this book.
“The whole liberalism is fascism carnard doesn’t inform debate, it just inflames emotions and rallies the faithful.”
I am quoting your quote of ketsu here.
This one really takes the cake for mendacity. The “liberalism is fascism” canard?! And what about the “conservatism is fascism” canard — which has been used perhaps 1,000,000 times as often as the “liberalism is fascism” canard?
The other “canard” here is that Goldberg claimed that “liberalism is fascism.” But of course ketsu doesn’t need to be bothered with what Goldberg actually said or wrote ... because he reads Hegel and Marx. The point is not that the two are identical, but that, contrary to popular misconception, they have one hell of a lot more in common than conservatism and fascism have in common. In particular, they share virtually the same economic ideology.
However, Goldberg does try to show that history, in a kind and considerate arguement and does so fairly well, IMHO.
Fair enough. I think many people throw around the Nazi label way too freely. But what really gets me is that those who throw it around the most are the very ones who share the Nazi economic ideology almost completely — but are too ignorant to know it.
It is only such ignorance that allows Hillary and Charley Rangel to get away with invoking the specter of Nazism with regard to Republican tax cuts, for example. And it only such ignorance that allows the MoveOn bunch to compare Bush with Hitler even though they themselves have much more in common with Hitler than Bush ever did or will.
He is surprisingly adept at offering the charitable bone to those he castigates in a manner to keep the opponent to his argument involved.
I must stress again that my main point in jumping in on this, and one other week old thread, is my true delight at seeing what Goldberg has grown into by this publication.
We lament that we have seen the end of the era where Kirk, Meyer, Weaver, Hayek have left us and the twilight of the time for Sowell and Buckley. Goldberg has actually risen to that status from the ranks of the nattering nabobs by this publication.
Daily columnists always have a percentage of their constant production hit a wrong note or make the writer appear in the lesser ranks of rhetorical advocates. Perhaps I had under rated Goldberg for that reason.
With this book, he has made me realize that this young man is going to become one of the great standard bearers of the conservative movement.
If Trixie is browsing the postings across the Internet, I hope she feels the true blush of maternal pride.
On that note, I will definitely get the book and read it. I actually tried to pick it up at the local Barnes and Noble, but it was sold out. That’s a good sign that the truth about fascism is getting out.
The essence of fascism is not totalitarianism, it’s a longing for an imagined “better” or “purer” past.
I dont see it.
Uuuum... no. You still don’t know what socialism is either. You’re stuck on the newspeak definitions which tend to mean “anything I don’t like”. I’m willing to bet your definition of socialism will be as laughably bad as your definition of fascism.
The Nazi’s *were not* socialists. If you had the faintest idea what fascism and socialism actually stand for as ideologies you would know that. But you’ve long since established that you’re militantly ignorant and unwilling/incapable of actually using and understanding words with any degree of precision.
You may be right, but perhaps you are using words that were defined by people who had a stake in defining it the way you promote as being “correct”.
I am enjoying it too
I dont see it.Then you don't know what fascism is. Look up the meaning of the term.
It would seem like it would be worthwhile for you to take up this argument with Mr. Goldberg.
It would seem like it would be worthwhile for you to take up this argument with Mr. Goldberg.No point. I'm sure he knows better. If he didn't before he certainly does now, liberal vultures jumped all over him as soon as the book was published.
Seemed like a golden opportunity to me. Why not take the argument right to the source?
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