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Report: 121 veterans linked to killings
Yahoo News ^ | 1-12-2008 | New York Times

Posted on 01/13/2008 5:07:09 AM PST by stan_sipple

At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.

The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq. That represents an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period, the newspaper said.

About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said. The report did not illuminate the exact relationship between those cases and the 121 killings also mentioned in the report.

The newspaper said its research involved searching local news reports, examining police, court and military records and interviewing defendants, their lawyers and families, victims' families and military and law enforcement officials.

Defense Department representatives did not immediately respond to a telephone message early Sunday. The Times said the military agency declined to comment, saying it could not reproduce the paper's research.

A military spokesman, Lt. Col. Les Melnyk, questioned the report's premise and research methods, the newspaper said. He said it aggregated crimes ranging from involuntary manslaughter to murder, and he suggested the apparent increase in homicides involving military personnel and veterans in the wartime period might reflect only "an increase in awareness of military service by reporters since 9/11."

Neither the Pentagon nor the federal Justice Department track such killings, generally prosecuted in state civilian courts, according to the Times.

The 121 killings ranged from shootings and stabbings to bathtub drownings and fatal car crashes resulting from drunken driving, the newspaper said. All but one of those implicated was male.

About a third of the victims were girlfriends or relatives, including a 2-year-old girl slain by her 20-year-old father while he was recovering from wounds sustained in Iraq.

A quarter of the victims were military personnel. One was stabbed and set afire by fellow soldiers a day after they all returned from Iraq.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: iraq; newyorktimes; oefveterans; oifveterans; stolenhonor; stolenvalor; veterans
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1 posted on 01/13/2008 5:07:11 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple

Yet another hit piece from the Old Grey Bitch


2 posted on 01/13/2008 5:08:16 AM PST by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: stan_sipple

Interesting that they would do a “study” on vets but they ignore Americans killed by illegal aliens. I wonder what that number would be.


3 posted on 01/13/2008 5:09:31 AM PST by patj
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To: stan_sipple
About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said. The report did not illuminate the exact relationship between those cases and the 121 killings also mentioned in the report.

So we are suppose to simply take the NY Slimes word for it. The word of a newspaper caught in dozens of fraudulent and erroneous reports about the War since it begin. I say the NY Times is lying or deliberately misleading in this story.

4 posted on 01/13/2008 5:10:13 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: don-o

the Times can research the crimes of veterans, but somehow they cant track the crimes of illegal immigrants


5 posted on 01/13/2008 5:11:35 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: MNJohnnie

Time for a fake Dan Rather piece now.


6 posted on 01/13/2008 5:14:51 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...

We can just open any paper to see that the average everyday civilian killings are a far greater percentage.

But it’s the military who are cold blooded murderers.

And, of course, the Times has a legacy to uphold at all costs.


7 posted on 01/13/2008 5:21:10 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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8 posted on 01/13/2008 5:28:33 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Who are these NAZI SOBs from the New York Times and the other left-wing anti-American media that put out these stories to help the Islamic terrorist as did Hitler and Stalin?

They must be direct descendants of the Communist and Nazi Scum.

9 posted on 01/13/2008 5:29:20 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: patj
Interesting that they would do a “study” on vets but they ignore Americans killed by illegal aliens. I wonder what that number would be.

How about a study on those from Democratic households compared to Republicans?

10 posted on 01/13/2008 5:35:30 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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Over the last six years according to the statistics there have been approximately 108,000 murders. So 121 would represent less than 1/10 of a percent. How many people at the New York Times killed people in these six years? Many there helped the Islamic Terrorist Kill hundreds of Americans as did the other left-wing media. So who is the SCUM? The New York Times and the other Nazi descendants of Hitler and Stalin.
11 posted on 01/13/2008 5:35:36 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: stan_sipple

What a damn scummy rag!


12 posted on 01/13/2008 5:44:06 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: don-o
Yet another hit piece from the Old Grey Bitch

LOL You nailed it!!

13 posted on 01/13/2008 5:48:03 AM PST by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: stan_sipple

Just another example of taking a group,of stats and jamming it into the agenda you want to push.


14 posted on 01/13/2008 5:54:44 AM PST by aroundabout
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“At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.”

That seems like a racist comment to me.


15 posted on 01/13/2008 5:57:01 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: YOUGOTIT

Your number of 108,000 is far to low in comparing them to the NYT article. That article was for people killed through motor vehicle accidents, and in ways not connected to premeditated murder.


16 posted on 01/13/2008 5:57:02 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: patj

A comparison of the rate of criminal homicide/veteran to ditto/illegal to ditto/veteran of government funded Middle School would be useful in interpreting these data.


17 posted on 01/13/2008 6:04:41 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: stan_sipple
Let's have a political-party-affiliation check as to which Political Party's voters are most involved in crime, shall we?

How many Republicans vs. Democrats voters are in jail, have arrest records for violent crime, or are on parole?

I would bet that of those criminals, 75% of Democrat voters would be about right (or more).

18 posted on 01/13/2008 6:11:29 AM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: stan_sipple

I wonder how many murders were committed in NYC over the past year by non veterans?


19 posted on 01/13/2008 6:15:16 AM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: traditional1

Philadelphia is a mess. Let us hope that the NY Times does a study on who is doing the killing there. It is not the veterans. It is very apparent that the Democrats running the city have no clue how to stop the constituents from
killing people.


20 posted on 01/13/2008 6:16:23 AM PST by oldironsides
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