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Why did the Middle East become so violent? Here's your answer: Bedouin desert-raider politics became embedded in modern Islamic sociology.

My News Years resolution was to read some more of of Bat Ye'or's histories of how Islam suppressed Christian and Jewish conquered people over the centuries. Did it. And now we're seeing it unroll before our eyes.

1 posted on 01/13/2008 8:08:46 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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2 posted on 01/13/2008 8:10:34 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (My contribution to reality-based argument.)
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3 posted on 01/13/2008 8:12:56 AM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel.

Leon Uris, "The Haj"
4 posted on 01/13/2008 8:13:10 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Bedouin desert-raider politics became embedded in modern Islamic sociology

This is very true.

5 posted on 01/13/2008 8:13:28 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Mrs. Don-o

WHAT IS JIHAD?

Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

What is Jihad: The Arabic word Jihad is derived from the root word Jahada (struggle). Jihad has come to mean an offensive war to be waged by Muslims against all non-Muslims to convert them to Islam on the pain of death. Jihad is enjoined on all Muslims by the Quran.

This site brings you the history of the Islamic Jihad from a neutral and factual viewpoint.

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The Jihad against Arabs (622 to 634)

The Jihad against Zoroastrian Persians of Iran, Baluchistan and Afghanistan (634 to 651)

The Jihad against the Byzantine Christians (634 to 1453)

The Jihad against Christian Coptic Egyptians (640 to 655)

The Jihad against Christian Coptic Nubians - modern Sudanese (650)

The Jihad against pagan Berbers - North Africans (650 to 700)

The Jihad against Spaniards (711 to 730)

The Reconquista against Jihad in Spain (730 to 1492)

The Jihad against Franks - modern French (720 to 732)

The Jihad against Sicilians in Italy (812 to 940)

The Jihad against Chinese (751)

The Jihad against Turks (651 to 751)

The Jihad against Armenians and Georgians (1071 to 1920)

The Crusade against Jihad (1096 – 1291 ongoing)

The Jihad against Mongols (1260 to 1300)

The Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 to 1857)

The Jihad against Indonesians and Malays (1450 to 1500)

The Jihad against Poland (1444 to 1699)

The Jihad against Rumania (1350 to 1699)

The Jihad against Russia (1500 to 1853)

The Jihad against Bulgaria (1350 to 1843)

The Jihad against Serbs, Croats and Albanians (1334 to 1920)

The Jihad against Greeks (1450 to 1853)

The Jihad against Albania (1332 - 1853)

The Jihad against Croatia (1389 to 1843)

The Jihad against Hungarians (1500 to 1683)

The Jihad against Austrians (1683)

Jihad in the Modern Age (20th and 21st Centuries)

The Jihad against Israelis (1948 – 2004 ongoing)

The Jihad against Americans (9/11/2001)

The Jihad against the British (1947 onwards)

The Jihad against the Germans (1945 onwards)

The Jihad against the Indians (1947 onwards)

The Jihad against the Filipinos in Mindanao(1970 onwards)

The Jihad against Indonesian Christians in Malaku and East Timor (1970 onwards)

The Jihad against Russians (1995 onwards)

The Jihad against Dutch and Belgians (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Norwegians and Swedes (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Thais (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Nigerians (1965 onwards)

The Jihad against Canadians (2001 onwards)

The Jihad against Latin America (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Australia (2002 onwards)

The Global Jihad today (2001 – ongoing)

The War on Terror against Jihad today (2001–


6 posted on 01/13/2008 8:34:23 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Bat Ye'or's histories

Let's Restore Medina to the Jews

ML/NJ

9 posted on 01/13/2008 9:11:46 AM PST by ml/nj
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Why did the Middle East become so violent? Here's your answer: Bedouin desert-raider politics became embedded in modern Islamic sociology.

Are you sure this shouldn't read:

Why did the Middle East become so violent? It always was, anytime they got military or strategic advantage. Bedouin desert-raider politics are embedded in the Koran.

11 posted on 01/13/2008 10:01:41 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

13 posted on 01/13/2008 12:49:16 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Why did the Middle East become so violent? Here's your answer: Bedouin desert-raider politics became embedded in modern Islamic sociology.

The Arabs were pagan predators raiders and thieves before Muhammad. Islam gave them an Allah and Muhammad that justified bloody thievery rape and conquest

15 posted on 01/13/2008 12:54:09 PM PST by dennisw ( Huckabee should put down the huckabong)
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Can’t this writer be prosecuted in Canada for this article?


16 posted on 01/13/2008 1:38:35 PM PST by Defiant (Hillary needs Obama in the race to make it seem she has experience by comparison.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

in the battles between Sunni vs. Shiite, a battle originating in a squabble between closely related kin groups over the leadership of the Islamic empire following Muhammad's death.

It's really quite amazing (in a bad sense) just how these two groups can fight and hate each other so much over the one basic difference of opinion; who can be a caliph. As the article says, the Sunnis believe anyone can be one, whereas Shiites believe only descendents of the first caliph can be one. My Islamic history is a little rusty, but if I remember right Imam Hussein (the third one; grandson of Imam Ali, the son-in-law of Mohammed, I think), a member of the Umayyad dynasty was assassinated by a member of the the Abbasid family, and Hussein is revered by Shiites; Ashura is their day of mourning for him (which is coming up on the 18th--the tenth day of the Islamic calendar--Ashura means 'tenth day'). Shiites believe only his descendents are fit to be a caliph; and Sunnis think anyone can, which is why a member of the Abbasid family assassinated Hussein. It went something like that...I learned this stuff awhile ago, so some of it could be off.

But remember folks, Arabs are not the problem; Islam is. If it were not for Islam, the Arabs could be Christian for all we know. Christian missionaries could've eventually made it over to the Middle East and civilized the Arabs and converted them. Who knows? Don't think that violence and savagry are inherent to the Arab people, it's not. It's inherent to Islam, which the Arabs embrace, and thus become violent and savage.
17 posted on 01/13/2008 1:38:36 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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So they are a bunch of violent savages bent on dominating the world. And why are they not expelled from civilized countries?


28 posted on 01/13/2008 3:28:30 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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There is a very interesting article in yesterday's Wall Street Journal about "The Lost Archives". These were rolls of film which held photographic images of Koran through the ages. The study was to see if, in fact, the Koran of today is the same as it was when it was supposedly given to Mohammed directly from Allah. That is the claim of the fundamentalist Muslims, and those who don't adhere to that claim of the unchanging Koran were hoping to use the archives to prove their point. The Berlin Archive in which the film was stored was bombed by the Allies in WWII, and the man responsible for the Lost Archive claimed it was lost in the attack.

Turns out, he had them all along, and hid them at his house. After his death, earlier this decade, they were found, and are not being made available to a group of German scholars. Some are using false names in print because they're scared of reprisals by Muslims. It will be interesting to see what they find. Makes me wonder if their discoveries will be trumpeted with the fervor of those who reported on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

31 posted on 01/13/2008 5:55:30 PM PST by SuziQ
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Very interesting; thanks for posting this, Mrs. Don-o!


34 posted on 01/14/2008 4:49:24 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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Ping!


35 posted on 01/14/2008 4:52:12 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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“Muhammad’s Tribe (the true history of Islam’s suppression of conquered
nations and people)”

Good post.
Reminds me of a presentation by the recently departed D. James Kennedy
(of The Coral Ridge Hour) in which he muttered aloud “Why does
NOBODY talk about the REAL FIRST “Crusade”...the one in which the
Muslims took the Middle East, Northern Africa and the Iberian Peninsula
by raping, murdering, enslaving the populace. Or converting them
at the point of a sword.
And either appropriating or razing THOUSANDS of their churches and synagogues?


42 posted on 01/14/2008 11:17:26 PM PST by VOA
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To: Mrs. Don-o
unification was only possible by creating a tribalized enemy against which Muslims could make common cause. This Muhammad did by opposing Muslims against infidels; and the dar al-Islam, the land of Islam and peace, against the dar al-harb, the land of infidels and conflict. Through the precepts of Islam, traditional Bedouin raiding was sanctified as an act of religious duty.

With every successful battle against local unbelievers, especially after the critical early battle against the Meccans, more Bedouin joined the umma. Once united, the Bedouin warriors of the umma turned outward, teaching the world the meaning of jihad, holy war.

Islam is NOT a "religion of peace."

46 posted on 01/15/2008 3:36:20 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
IMHO, the problem is not Islam, although radical Wahabbism is used to justify the terrorists behavior. The largest Muslim populations in the world are in Indonesia and India and generally don't act this way.

In my opinion the instability in the Middle East results from the power vacuum left by the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI and the collapse of the European colonialism that attempted to replace it. We still don't know what group or country is going to emerge as dominant in the region, although Iran is making a powerful bid.

This region has not been self-governing since the foundation of the Ottoman Empire, a period of about four centuries. The present borders are mostly artificial creations.

IMHO the region would have had a much better chance if at the end of WWI the British hadn't double-crossed its Arab allies and allowed the creation of a unified Arab state with Damascus as the capital.

50 posted on 01/15/2008 9:03:51 AM PST by colorado tanker
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