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UK: Mosque's plan to broadcast call to prayer from loudspeaker 'will create Muslim ghetto'
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | January 14, 2008

Posted on 01/14/2008 6:55:39 AM PST by Stoat

Mosque's plan to broadcast call to prayer from loudspeaker 'will create Muslim ghetto'

Last updated at 10:14am on 14th January 2008

 

Muslim Prayer

Outrage: Proposals for a loudspeaker to call Muslims to prayer in central Oxford have been attacked by local residents

Muslim elders at an Oxford mosque have said they intend to push ahead with plans to broadcast a call to prayer from a loudspeaker despite fierce opposition.

 

Local residents have attacked the idea saying it would disrupt the peace and turn the area into a 'Muslim ghetto'.

But the elders said they still intend to seek planning permission to install the loudspeaker.

If granted, they would broadcast a two-minute long call three times a day from the Central Mosque, where up to 700 people gather to worship every Friday.

The idea has gained support from the Bishop of Oxford, the Rt Rev John Pritchard, who last week said those in opposition to the idea should "relax" and "enjoy community diversity".

But residents, who packed out a council meeting last month to signal their outrage, remain set against the plan which they say is an "un-neighbourly intrusion".

They said they would rally to block the proposal when it is submitted to the council in nine months time, when construction on the mosque is complete.

Dr Allan Chapman, 61, who lives near the building, said: "The response against this has been incredible, we have been indundated with calls ranging from stiff upper lip outrage to sheer screaming fury.

"The universal message is what an utter cheek to inflict this on a non-Muslim area of Oxford. If this application goes forward then a large number of angry people are poised to form an opposition to it."

Dr Chapman added the broadcast is not to comparable to the ringing of church bells because: "They are just a signal. The Muslim call is a theological statement."

Residents have said the main objection is the loud amplification of the broadcast.

Elizabeth Mills, 56, said: "We don't have a problem with the Imam climbing to the top of the minaret and shouting.

"But we object to electronic amplification. The Bishop of Oxford might say it's ok but he doesn't have to listen to it."

Martin Stott, 53, a member of the Oxford Oratory, added: "This is not an anti-Muslim thing, it is more about community cohesion."

 

A spokesman for the Central Mosque said that sounding the call to prayer is a traditional part of the religion.

Sadar Rana, 68, said: "Building work will take another nine months to a year, it is then that we plan to make an application to the council.

"We want to fix a loudspeak to our minaret to broadcast our call to prayer. We would like to have it three times a day but if that is not accepted, then we would like to have it at least on Fridays.

"We do not need the volume to be loud but we want to have the call in some form because it's our tradition."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; england; ghetto; greatbritian; islam; islamicimperialism; moe; mosqueofengland; muslim; oxford; uk; unitedkingdom
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To: Stoat

Dr Chapman added the broadcast is not to comparable to the ringing of church bells because: “They are just a signal. The Muslim call is a theological statement.”
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the problem is that they have to defend church bells in England.


41 posted on 01/14/2008 7:45:08 AM PST by ari-freedom (I want Fred to win but I really want Fred to want Fred to win.)
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To: Stoat
"As the snow flies
On a cold and gray Ol' Oxford mornin'
A poor little Muslim child is born
In the ghetto

And his imam cries
'cause if there's one thing he surely needs
is another little fragile mind to mislead
In the ghetto "

Thank you, Thankyouvrymuch


42 posted on 01/14/2008 7:52:50 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: aroundabout

4000 + fps.


43 posted on 01/14/2008 7:54:37 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Stoat
The idea has gained support from the Bishop of Oxford, the Rt Rev John Pritchard, who last week said those in opposition to the idea should "relax" and "enjoy community diversity".

In a more civilized era, this vile man would be dragged from the pulpit, stripped bare, and tarred and feathered.

44 posted on 01/14/2008 7:57:19 AM PST by montag813
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To: MinuteGal
How about public beheadings, you religion-of-piecers.......that's part of your tradition also, isn't it?.

No worries, that will all come in time.  No need to rush them, they have the long-term view and will keep pushing for the next thousand years, if they are allowed to.

They are still fighting the Crusades...they never stopped.

45 posted on 01/14/2008 8:04:16 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

My answer to Oxford Christians and other English Christians. Get to work to win Muslims to Jesus Christ by the Gospel of Christ. Go win their young people. Let them see by your personal witness for Christ that they are not living in a Muslim country.

Without being hateful, be aggressive about Christian evangelism. Why are you allowing Islam to so easily take over your country without a stalwart witness for our Saviour? If you do not believe that Islam intends to absolutely take over the UK, you are deluded.

When a goodly number of young Mohammeds at age 16 or 17 go home and announce, “Wonderful news, I have just accepted Jesus Christ as the Only Begotten Son of God and as my own personal Saviour from sin,” Islamic power will begin to wane. Without Christian courage to personally evangelize Muslims, their power will only increase.


46 posted on 01/14/2008 8:09:00 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
With the expansion of Islam in American communities, It’s only a matter of time before we hear of musilm complaints about pork BBQ smoke drifting through their neigborhoods from a smokehouse restaurant they’ve encroached upon.

Perhaps. But since this country was founded by revolutionaries who wouldn't be bullied, there are still lots of Americans who, when hearing of such complaints, will only have bigger BBQs and set up big electric fans to deliberately blow pork smoke in the direction of these uptight little robe-wearing crybabies.

And I'd be first in line to do so myself. I won't be pushed around by these pseudo-religious thugs. Let 'em take me to court. I'll fight 'em every time.

47 posted on 01/14/2008 8:09:34 AM PST by kromike
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To: Piquaboy
I have been subjected to the listening of that crap and it drove me up the wall.

Me too, and it gave me the creeps. It was like the Devil himself was waking you up or putting you to bed.

We allow the same outrage on our country, though...

Hamtramck vote a victory for those in favor of allowing mosques to broadcast Islamic call to prayer

48 posted on 01/14/2008 8:16:11 AM PST by Gritty (Islam isn’t interested in winning the debate but in winning the clash of civilizations - Mark Steyn)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I had an interesting morning arriving at work several years ago. On a clear spring day I got out of my car. Moments later my ears were assailed with the most unearthly caterwauling, which I recognized as a Muslim call to prayer over a very powerful loudspeaker. After a few spine-chilling moments, I realized that it was our BattleSim facility down the road testing its systems, but it was enough to make my stomach turn and my hair stand on end whenever I hear it even today.


49 posted on 01/14/2008 8:16:44 AM PST by ArmyTeach (always vigilant)
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To: Stoat
If they don't like it, they should surround the mosque during prayer with loudspeakers of their own with something very annoying...perhaps, the latest from Britney Spears?

The truth is, it's only a matter of time before civil war erupts between the Muslims and the Brits. The Muslims are like a fast spreading cancer. They don't integrate into society and try to force their own beliefs on everyone else.

50 posted on 01/14/2008 8:17:20 AM PST by New Girl
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To: Sacajaweau

Did Mohammed say it was ‘OK’ to use the devil’s electricity to issue the call to prayer?

Better get some Imam to speak out about this...


51 posted on 01/14/2008 8:21:34 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Stoat

Why does Elvis’s song “In the Ghetto” come to mind?


52 posted on 01/14/2008 8:22:06 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Stoat

An Absolute Must Read - “The Study of Political Islam”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=%7B6AA49466-2575-491F-B712-CEA90FCCCD0D%7D

The article discusses jihad, and how traditional Western attitudes and tolerance are incapable of addressing jihad because of conflicting world views.


53 posted on 01/14/2008 8:23:06 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: kromike

Tobacco use restrictions, “air pollution” laws (which are now including grills and fast food grease), and “hate crimes laws” are springing up to thwart just such actions.


54 posted on 01/14/2008 8:23:38 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Love your name, LOL! :-)


55 posted on 01/14/2008 8:25:09 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: Stoat
One would think people who pray that often would not need a reminder. Maybe I don't have all the facts. Do Arabs have a genetic defect that prevents short-term memory? Or do they just hate to pray and have to be reminded all the time? Why don't they all just wear a vibrating pager?
56 posted on 01/14/2008 8:25:46 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: olezip

The “Islam only” Saudi State funds the Western expansion of Islam. There can be no separation of “church and state” when a foreign state is funding the faith.

And there can be no “cultural exchange” when the host State of the Islamic empire prohibits the practice of any OTHER faith.

It is not a two way street. This is only opening the door for inevitable jihad. Imam agree that jihad is “justified” when a nation tries to supress Islam. So as the muslim community pushes more and more for Islamic law, the harder it is to oppose it (without retribution).


57 posted on 01/14/2008 8:28:28 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Eastbound

They want you to know that it is time to pray to the one “true” faith.


58 posted on 01/14/2008 8:29:01 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; P.O.E.
Why does Elvis’s song “In the Ghetto” come to mind?

Please see FReeper P.O.E.'s excellent effort at post #42  :-)

59 posted on 01/14/2008 8:29:14 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: John Leland 1789
"......personally evangelize Muslims......."

Noble thought, but I think you should be the first to knock on the door of a Muslim household in the ghetto and try to convert the family.

Of course, the missus may not be around.....she's not allowed to talk to you even if she's not chained to a bedpost......and be sure to discreetly check for anything tubular under the kids tee shirts.

Your sentiments are certainly commendable, but I'd just leave a tract under the door mat and run quickly away.

Leni

60 posted on 01/14/2008 8:30:50 AM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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