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FRED ON RELIGION (National Review)
National Review The Corner ^ | January 15, 2007 | Mark Hemingway

Posted on 01/15/2008 12:24:02 PM PST by greyfoxx39

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To: SE Mom
I am torn, I want Fred to win, for the good of my country, but the promise of Real Estate investment opportunities like we had under Carter makes me giddy as well. 10-15 percent interest, incredible taxes levied to “save the world” and inflation will make for some serious bargains and those with the assets and liquidity can clean up..

First houses I will buy out of foreclosure will be those where I see a Huckabee or McCain sticker on the car out front, just for a little fun...

(big /s tag unless these guys supporters get a clue, then I am serious...)

41 posted on 01/15/2008 1:36:08 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Mike Huckabee, Tithing via Taxation, the Christian Democrat way...)
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To: ellery
Exactly.

Anything else will be Christian Democratic Socialism....

42 posted on 01/15/2008 1:37:46 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Mike Huckabee, Tithing via Taxation, the Christian Democrat way...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Thank you for understanding my point... when another did not.


43 posted on 01/15/2008 1:38:05 PM PST by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: greyfoxx39

That my friends is the right answer. Take time to read Davy Crockett’s writings on how he got taught about government’s role in charity by some Tennessee frontiersmen.


44 posted on 01/15/2008 1:39:34 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: DannyTN
God did indeed tell kings to consider the cause of the poor and needy.

How can you hold this view of our country and feel at home on FR?

45 posted on 01/15/2008 1:44:45 PM PST by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Because I can't find the article of the Constitution which grants the right of Congress to take my money and use it to fund research to help other people with their problems, even if it IS based on the "chances it will do some good".

Good point. And it ties in nicely with Rush's excellent rant at the end of today's program. He took to task Republican aspirants who feel they need to have a big government solution to every real or perceived social problem simply because liberal Democrats say we need one. Some Frenchman once said that every country gets the government it deserves. Unless we clean up our act in this country we will come to deserve a totalitarian socialist government and then we will get one.

46 posted on 01/15/2008 1:48:50 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("I’m not liking the way the 21st Century is shaping up logic wise." - AU72)
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To: ejonesie22

Bwwhahahahaha!

I remember those interest rates well...younger people who didn’t live through it have no CLUE what it was like with Jimmuh as POTUS.


47 posted on 01/15/2008 1:53:13 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
I have several well to do friends in my crowd who made their money back then. Cash was king.
48 posted on 01/15/2008 1:54:58 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Mike Huckabee, Tithing via Taxation, the Christian Democrat way...)
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To: DannyTN

So you advocate taking more of my money cause God told you too?


49 posted on 01/15/2008 2:04:19 PM PST by Raymann
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I agree, I liked what he said until the final paragraph, then he went all socialist on us.


50 posted on 01/15/2008 2:05:20 PM PST by Raymann
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To: greyfoxx39

big fat sigh of contentment. nice answer.


51 posted on 01/15/2008 2:14:38 PM PST by LinnKeyes2000 (Get Real, Get Fred. Fred08.com)
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To: DannyTN
God did indeed tell kings to consider the cause of the poor and needy.

We don't live in a monarchy. The government doesn't rule us, the government serves us. In a monarchy, the assets of the country belong to the monarchy to use as the monarch sees fit. In a democracy or representative republic, the assets of the government belong to the people to use as the people dictate the government should use them.

It is not for the government to take our money and use it as it sees fit. The people are able to determine to who and to what causes their money should be given.

With self determination comes responsibility. We all have that same responsibility that God placed on kings.

The liberal approach is to put the government in charge and then to say the government is responsible for addressing issues of poverty and disease, which works out even better for them since most of them are voting to use other people's money to address their own issues as well as others.

And he took ruling power away from one king for failure to do so.

Did he punish the king for failing to be generous with what God had given him, or for failing to be generous with what God had given others?

52 posted on 01/15/2008 2:20:23 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: DannyTN

“God did indeed tell kings to consider the cause of the poor and needy. And he took ruling power away from one king for failure to do so.”

You know, I’m not an expert on the Bible but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night. So I’ll take a stab at this. God commanded kings to do a lot of things, but they were kings of Israel and it was the old testament. I assume you are a Christian (If Jewish then never mind!!!), Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Jesus never talks of government charity, but individual charity. His kingdom in this world is made up of the church. He commands the church and Christians to be charitable to the poor etc., but he is silent on the government’s role in it.

Another thing is that how are we any different than the Muslim fascists if we try to impose Judeo/Christian philosophy on everyone in this country? This country was set up to worship freely and we are able to have religion in our public discourse. However, we should not be imposing any religious beliefs through the force of government. That’s what it means when the first amendment talks about not establishing religion.

This is no different than the liberals. Liberals are very charitable with the public’s money. Not sure about their own money though. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that a vast majority of liberals are tightwads when it comes to giving to charity.


53 posted on 01/15/2008 2:29:43 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: DannyTN
but Fred's wrong that government doesn't have any responsibility and it's all left up to the individual.

I believe you misunderstood Fred. See below...

And a president who will tell you the truth is that we have to look across the board and do what we can and what we should based upon the severity of the problem and the chances that our research money will do some good in these areas.”

In other words, he's not saying that government has no role. Instead, he's saying the government's role shouldn't be defined by politics -- but, rather, the degree of need and the liklihood of success.

An altogether defensible position -- though not necessarily a popular one with those who want the government to fix everything, absolving themselves of responsibility.

54 posted on 01/15/2008 2:34:45 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: untrained skeptic

“We don’t live in a monarchy. The government doesn’t rule us, the government serves us. In a monarchy, the assets of the country belong to the monarchy to use as the monarch sees fit. In a democracy or representative republic, the assets of the government belong to the people to use as the people dictate the government should use them. “

You said it much better than I could. Nice job...


55 posted on 01/15/2008 2:34:50 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: greyfoxx39

Read this the other day on here. Still good to see Fred’s stance on these issues.


56 posted on 01/15/2008 3:54:15 PM PST by Blue Highway (The only cure for RINOvirus - Fred Thompson)
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To: ellery
" Its power resides with the People. "
At least it should be...
57 posted on 01/15/2008 11:04:35 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: SE Mom
I read somewhere this morning that a Republican woman in Michigan said her # 1 issue is illegal immigration. She’s voting for McCain. The reporter asked her how that squared with McCain being one of the architects of the bill last spring- and it turns out this voter HAD NO IDEA MC CAIN HAD BEEN PART OF THAT.

Hahaha, wow, that's awful...
58 posted on 01/15/2008 11:07:14 PM PST by Zeon Cowboy (Pardon Ramos and Compean NOW! // Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Reference, please. I hope you are not projecting God’s specific commands to Israel onto the US of A.

Jerimiah 22:15 Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him? 16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the LORD.

God also pretty much said the same thing to Nebuccanezzar, who was king of Babylon not Israel, and to a Samarian king.

Do you think that God would strip power from a King of Israel and other kings who had no bargain with God for not considering the needy, and not strip power from "we the people" for doing the same?

59 posted on 01/16/2008 11:19:29 AM PST by DannyTN
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Indeed, you are projecting God’s commands to His theocracy onto the US of A.

Nebuccanezzar was reduced by God due his pride in claiming credit for what God had done. Where does it say that Nebuccanezzar or some unnamed Samarian King were deposed because they failed to do as God commanded His people?

I know of no place in Scripture where ye find the Lord commanding the governments of countries other than Israel and Judah to care for the poor. He commands His children under the New Covenant to do so (Read James), but not governments. Those are told to punish evil doers and reward those who do good (Romans 13).


60 posted on 01/16/2008 11:25:51 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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