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HUCK, THE CONSTITUTION AND 'GOD'S STANDARDS'
MSNBC ^ | January 15, 2008 | MSNBC

Posted on 01/15/2008 4:59:40 PM PST by america4vr

Huckabee's closing argument to voters here this evening featured a few new stories and two prolonged sections on illegal immigration and Christian values.

These two topics usually feature prominently in Huckabee's stump speech, but last night he got specific, promising to build a border fence within 18 months if elected and elaborating on his belief that the constitution needs to be amended.

"[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it's a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards," Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

Huckabee often refers to the need to amend the constitution on these grounds, but he has never so specifically called for the Constitution to be brought within "God's standards," which are themselves debated amongst religious scholars. As a closing statement he asked the room of nearly 500 supporters to "pray and then work hard, and in that order," to help him secure a victory in Tuesday's GOP primary.

Tomorrow Huckabee will visit two polling places in the morning before taking off for South Carolina where he will watch Michigan's returns come in.

(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christian; christianworldview; christianwrldviewnot; huckabee
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Compared to the minds that drafted THE CONSTITUTION, Huck, you are a cretin

Heck, compared to the minds that drafted the rules for Tic Tac Toe, Huck is a cretin.

81 posted on 01/16/2008 6:24:36 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: Soliton
Phony Christians do not believe in Christ, or much of anything else, but they know that other people do, and that this belief can be exploited.

Example: "Tax Hike Mike" Huckabee.

82 posted on 01/16/2008 6:30:49 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: steve-b
Phony Christians do not believe in Christ, or much of anything else, but they know that other people do, and that this belief can be exploited. Example: "Tax Hike Mike" Huckabee.

You prove my point. You assume that he is a fake

83 posted on 01/16/2008 6:34:50 AM PST by Soliton (Casual Christians fear Committed Christians)
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To: EEDUDE

From my encounters with libs, this IS their biggest fear, “the theocracy”.

I don’t want a theocracy either...
I just don’t want the gov’t to confiscate wealth from those making moral decisions leading to success
to subsidize and alleviate the consequences of those who make immoral decisions that lead to misery, poverty and failure.

Doing so only increases the occurence of these decisions.


84 posted on 01/16/2008 6:35:26 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: rintense

One statement? Sheesh. I can think of about a dozen that if I were the opposition I would run in ads.


85 posted on 01/16/2008 6:38:38 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: punster

Huckabee will tell evangelicals that he will creat a Department of the Rapture if he could dupe any more of them.


86 posted on 01/16/2008 6:41:41 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Soliton
You assume that he is a fake

I don't have to "assume" anything. I need only look at his behavior. For instance, taking more money from the taxpayer than is absolutely required to perform the legitimate functions of government is theft, which I hear is on God's Top Ten "DO NOT WANT" List.

87 posted on 01/16/2008 6:41:58 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: steve-b
Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense

So you're not even a casual christian, and yet you can judge Huck?

88 posted on 01/16/2008 7:03:38 AM PST by Soliton (Casual Christians fear Committed Christians)
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To: america4vr
There is a history recorded of what can be expected if a people turn their collective back on what God requires to maintain the blessings and HIS protection. But hey the majority of Americans sure do like to point their collective finger in the eye of the Heavenly Father under their NEW gods of secularism.

I am NO fan of Huckabee's attempt to paint God's Standards as merely being WWJD as though there are two Gods, one of the OLD and then a NEW one. The Ten Commandments still hold even to this day, even if the majority of Americans gleefully try to hide them out of sight.

89 posted on 01/16/2008 7:26:23 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Soliton
They fear that the Committed Christians are nutty enough to actually let faith affect politics.

If your faith does not inform your politics, it is not faith, but something else entirely.

I think your problem, with all sincerity, is that you do not think there are multiple means to affect the political process. To wit, I prefer Fred (even as a committed Christian). He would not impinge upon my right to practice my faith. Further, I believe his appointment of conservative, constructionist Supreme Court justices would advance the pro-life cause in a very pragmatic way. (If you'd like to give me a flow-chart as to how Huckabee plans to get the HLA approved, I'd be more than happy to look at it.) Finally, his foreign policy and economic views place him ahead of the other pro-life candidates.

I think Huckabee has a history of saying whatever the people in front of him want to hear. I think that is borne out by the facts (see Gilchrist re: Anchor Babies, the NH NEA re: school choice, Arkansas Democrats re: tax increases, etc). That is not the mold of a good leader, whatever his religious leanings are. I understand that the evangelical mindset is almost a default posture of defensiveness. I think this has benefited Mike Huckabee, as the more he's attacked, the more loyal his evangelical (but not conservative) base becomes.

So, though you chose not to answer the question at hand, I do thank you for the post and agree with much of what you said. We just disagree on who would be the best leader. Committed Christians can do that.

90 posted on 01/16/2008 8:16:36 AM PST by the808bass
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To: america4vr
You don't owe me an apology.

You were more correct about the meaning of cacophony than I was. Heck, I even mispelled the word.

I checked the (alleged) origin of the word just to prove to myself that I wasn't the only one who felt there was a "physiological" connotation in the origin of the word.

91 posted on 01/16/2008 8:33:50 AM PST by syriacus (HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
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To: Soliton

I know of more than a few who are all display and no substance. Actions speak louder than words.


92 posted on 01/16/2008 8:37:17 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: syriacus
Heck, I even mispelled the word.

Heck, I even misspelled the word "misspelled."

93 posted on 01/16/2008 9:08:09 AM PST by syriacus (HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
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To: america4vr

==========No matter how he phrases it, Huckabee surely knows that his desire to amend the Constitution to reflect practices, beliefs he calls God’s Standards violates the separation of Church and State================

There is nothing about amending the Constitution that violates the “separation of Church and State.” The Constitution itself has numerous elements of Judeo-Christian faith and law already built in.

Silly.


94 posted on 01/16/2008 9:11:08 AM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: america4vr

“Huckabee surely knows that his desire to amend the Constitution to reflect practices, beliefs he calls God’s Standards violates the separation of Church and State and that being unconstitutional has zero chance of ever getting out of the gate.”

Let me guess. You went to a public school, right?

Newsflash: there is nothing unconstitutional about amending the U.S. Constitution to state (1) that “personhood” begins at conception or (2) that marriage shall be legally recognized as only between one man and one woman.

Perhaps it escaped your notice that dozens of states have already done one or the other of the above re: their state constitutions.


95 posted on 01/16/2008 9:37:07 AM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
No it's not silly if you employ semantics to impugn others in a manner that makes no sense in the way you have done here.

There's a huge difference between the agnostic, non-religious mores and principles of the Judeo-Christian morality that serves as the sociological, behavioral underpinnings for a system of laws, that engender a civilized society.

It is referred to as Judeo-Christian but it is not religious per say merely the morality that serves society as a whole, and then there is the religious perspective that attempts to control and pervade other members of the society that share neither the religious foundation of belief, nor thr practice of behavior like abortion considered an anathema to God but not to those who don't believe that are imposed upon by those that do.

So please save your smug, silly attitude for some other time.

96 posted on 01/16/2008 9:38:18 AM PST by america4vr (The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“Compared to the minds that drafted THE CONSTITUTION...”

Please identify the authors of that section of the Constitution which provides the process by which it can be amended.


97 posted on 01/16/2008 9:39:49 AM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan
Thank you for your thoughts. If you might peruse through the comments you'll come across my mea culpa in huge red letters fifty or so comments back in response to all of those before you who've corrected me on this very same topic whereby I profusely apologized for making the ignorant and dumb comments I did being all the better and wiser for it.
98 posted on 01/16/2008 9:45:18 AM PST by america4vr (The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
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To: america4vr

“As laws they would be unconstitutional...”

Wrong again, 4vr.

A law defining marriage as only between one man and one woman would not be “unconstitutional” either, except in the legal fantasyland that apparently exists in your own mind.

In fact, about 45 states have such laws on the books, plus over two dozen states with new constitutional amendments that say the same thing.

Huckabee merely proposes amending the U.S. Constitution to ensure that the U.S. Supreme Court doesn’t overturn all those state laws and amendments by declaring that they’ve discovered a constitutional “right” to homosexual marriage or polygamy.

Better try again...


99 posted on 01/16/2008 9:46:37 AM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: america4vr
violates the separation of Church and State

You new here? Welcome, and good luck with that.

100 posted on 01/16/2008 9:50:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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