HUCK, THE CONSTITUTION AND 'GOD'S STANDARDS'

MSNBC ^ | January 15, 2008 | MSNBC

[steve-b]

Compared to the minds that drafted THE CONSTITUTION, Huck, you are a cretin

Heck, compared to the minds that drafted the rules for Tic Tac Toe, Huck is a cretin.

[steve-b]

Phony Christians do not believe in Christ, or much of anything else, but they know that other people do, and that this belief can be exploited.

Example: "Tax Hike Mike" Huckabee.

[Soliton]

Phony Christians do not believe in Christ, or much of anything else, but they know that other people do, and that this belief can be exploited. Example: "Tax Hike Mike" Huckabee.

You prove my point. You assume that he is a fake

[MrB]

From my encounters with libs, this IS their biggest fear, “the theocracy”.

I don’t want a theocracy either...
I just don’t want the gov’t to confiscate wealth from those making moral decisions leading to success
to subsidize and alleviate the consequences of those who make immoral decisions that lead to misery, poverty and failure.

Doing so only increases the occurence of these decisions.

[KC_Conspirator]

One statement? Sheesh. I can think of about a dozen that if I were the opposition I would run in ads.

[KC_Conspirator]

Huckabee will tell evangelicals that he will creat a Department of the Rapture if he could dupe any more of them.

[steve-b]

You assume that he is a fake

I don't have to "assume" anything. I need only look at his behavior. For instance, taking more money from the taxpayer than is absolutely required to perform the legitimate functions of government is theft, which I hear is on God's Top Ten "DO NOT WANT" List.

[Soliton]

Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense

So you're not even a casual christian, and yet you can judge Huck?

[Just mythoughts]

There is a history recorded of what can be expected if a people turn their collective back on what God requires to maintain the blessings and HIS protection. But hey the majority of Americans sure do like to point their collective finger in the eye of the Heavenly Father under their NEW gods of secularism.

I am NO fan of Huckabee's attempt to paint God's Standards as merely being WWJD as though there are two Gods, one of the OLD and then a NEW one. The Ten Commandments still hold even to this day, even if the majority of Americans gleefully try to hide them out of sight.

[the808bass]

They fear that the Committed Christians are nutty enough to actually let faith affect politics.

If your faith does not inform your politics, it is not faith, but something else entirely.

I think your problem, with all sincerity, is that you do not think there are multiple means to affect the political process. To wit, I prefer Fred (even as a committed Christian). He would not impinge upon my right to practice my faith. Further, I believe his appointment of conservative, constructionist Supreme Court justices would advance the pro-life cause in a very pragmatic way. (If you'd like to give me a flow-chart as to how Huckabee plans to get the HLA approved, I'd be more than happy to look at it.) Finally, his foreign policy and economic views place him ahead of the other pro-life candidates.

I think Huckabee has a history of saying whatever the people in front of him want to hear. I think that is borne out by the facts (see Gilchrist re: Anchor Babies, the NH NEA re: school choice, Arkansas Democrats re: tax increases, etc). That is not the mold of a good leader, whatever his religious leanings are. I understand that the evangelical mindset is almost a default posture of defensiveness. I think this has benefited Mike Huckabee, as the more he's attacked, the more loyal his evangelical (but not conservative) base becomes.

So, though you chose not to answer the question at hand, I do thank you for the post and agree with much of what you said. We just disagree on who would be the best leader. Committed Christians can do that.

[syriacus]

You don't owe me an apology.

You were more correct about the meaning of cacophony than I was. Heck, I even mispelled the word.

I checked the (alleged) origin of the word just to prove to myself that I wasn't the only one who felt there was a "physiological" connotation in the origin of the word.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

I know of more than a few who are all display and no substance. Actions speak louder than words.

[syriacus]

Heck, I even mispelled the word.

Heck, I even misspelled the word "misspelled."

[Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh]

==========No matter how he phrases it, Huckabee surely knows that his desire to amend the Constitution to reflect practices, beliefs he calls God’s Standards violates the separation of Church and State================

There is nothing about amending the Constitution that violates the “separation of Church and State.” The Constitution itself has numerous elements of Judeo-Christian faith and law already built in.

Silly.

[AFA-Michigan]

“Huckabee surely knows that his desire to amend the Constitution to reflect practices, beliefs he calls God’s Standards violates the separation of Church and State and that being unconstitutional has zero chance of ever getting out of the gate.”

Let me guess. You went to a public school, right?

Newsflash: there is nothing unconstitutional about amending the U.S. Constitution to state (1) that “personhood” begins at conception or (2) that marriage shall be legally recognized as only between one man and one woman.

Perhaps it escaped your notice that dozens of states have already done one or the other of the above re: their state constitutions.

[america4vr]

No it's not silly if you employ semantics to impugn others in a manner that makes no sense in the way you have done here.

There's a huge difference between the agnostic, non-religious mores and principles of the Judeo-Christian morality that serves as the sociological, behavioral underpinnings for a system of laws, that engender a civilized society.

It is referred to as Judeo-Christian but it is not religious per say merely the morality that serves society as a whole, and then there is the religious perspective that attempts to control and pervade other members of the society that share neither the religious foundation of belief, nor thr practice of behavior like abortion considered an anathema to God but not to those who don't believe that are imposed upon by those that do.

So please save your smug, silly attitude for some other time.

[AFA-Michigan]

“Compared to the minds that drafted THE CONSTITUTION...”

Please identify the authors of that section of the Constitution which provides the process by which it can be amended.

[america4vr]

Thank you for your thoughts. If you might peruse through the comments you'll come across my mea culpa in huge red letters fifty or so comments back in response to all of those before you who've corrected me on this very same topic whereby I profusely apologized for making the ignorant and dumb comments I did being all the better and wiser for it.

[AFA-Michigan]

“As laws they would be unconstitutional...”

Wrong again, 4vr.

A law defining marriage as only between one man and one woman would not be “unconstitutional” either, except in the legal fantasyland that apparently exists in your own mind.

In fact, about 45 states have such laws on the books, plus over two dozen states with new constitutional amendments that say the same thing.

Huckabee merely proposes amending the U.S. Constitution to ensure that the U.S. Supreme Court doesn’t overturn all those state laws and amendments by declaring that they’ve discovered a constitutional “right” to homosexual marriage or polygamy.

Better try again...

[Lancey Howard]

violates the separation of Church and State

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