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Berbers, Islam & Christianity
New English Review ^ | 17 January 2008 | Hugh Fitzgerald

Posted on 01/17/2008 7:33:36 AM PST by forkinsocket

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To: najida

WOW!!

She is “hot”!!!

Is she singing in Arabic or a Berber language?


41 posted on 01/17/2008 9:54:16 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: null and void

Thanks for the song. I think he’s singing in Maninka, but I could be wrong.


42 posted on 01/17/2008 9:57:21 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: ZULU; forkinsocket

Ask forkinsocket, but I think she’s singing Berber/Moroccan.


43 posted on 01/17/2008 10:02:55 AM PST by najida
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To: ZULU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KYR5nm7PZg

This is being sung in both Berber and Arabic (at least that’s what my CD says)....and yes, those are bagpipes. :)


44 posted on 01/17/2008 10:12:29 AM PST by najida
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To: najida
Bleh, I can't find any decent musiqa Mizrahit on youtube, besides Zehava Ben's cover of Umm Khulthum's Enta 'Omri.

Enta 'Omri.

I think the song itself sounds great, but ignore the idiotic video.

45 posted on 01/17/2008 10:18:58 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

Thank you! And yes, the video is stupid (WTF is that chick doin’??)

I actually have a similar version (sans lyrics) of Enta Omri from a BDSS CD, as well as the older Hossam Ramsey version.....as well as Umm Khulthum’s....it’s so pretty.

Here’s “Far Away” with Demis Roussos (Greek) and Hasna (Moroccan) using Indian Bollywood for the vid and some lyrics in English.... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkwwHpqZf1Q


46 posted on 01/17/2008 10:30:03 AM PST by najida
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To: forkinsocket

ping


47 posted on 01/17/2008 3:09:31 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: null and void

knock it off lmao


48 posted on 01/17/2008 6:29:06 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: najida

Sorry I didn’t see this post earlier. It’s Moroccan.


49 posted on 01/18/2008 12:17:16 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: ZULU
Sorry I didn’t see this post earlier. It’s Moroccan.

& I even forgot to ping you to it!

50 posted on 01/18/2008 12:19:32 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

Does that mean Berber or Arabic?


51 posted on 01/18/2008 3:47:04 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Moroccan = Arabic. Arabic-speakers frequently call the various Arab dialects “Moroccan,” “Lebanese,” “Iraqi,” etc. among ourselves because of the differences between them & the fact that some have trouble understanding each other. So among ourselves we say, “I speak Iraqi” & to outsiders, “I speak Arabic,” to make it simple.

The Berber dialects are called Tamazight, meaning “language of the free”.


52 posted on 01/18/2008 4:11:36 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

Well, she is one hot looking lady.


53 posted on 01/18/2008 8:34:27 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: forkinsocket
Identity

We should help those in North Africa (and in France) who know, are well aware, of their Berber identity. And they will point out, in the ways that they think most effective, that many of those "Arabs" are in fact one or two or five generations away from being Berbers. DNA is coming to the rescue. Some of those who proudly identify themselves as "Arabs" will resist. But others may listen. And as they recognize the violence, the "culture of death" of Islam, as in Algeria, perhaps those who wish to make a break from Islam, and recognize that such a break is hardest of all for Arabs, and that another identity needs to be accepted, invented, believed in, will manage to discover, and embrace, those Berber "roots."

It seems fanciful, just as it seems fanciful that Iranians, those who are not merely disgusted with the mullahs running things, but coming to be disgusted with Islam -- that "gift of the Arabs" --- itself, may wish to rediscover Zoroastrianism. Not because of any particular wonderfulness in what Zoroastrianism has to offer, but simply because it offers another identity (see Bernard Lewis's excellent "The Multiple Identities of the Middle East"), in a part of the world, and among people, who believe that "everyone simply has to be something." And that "something" cannot be, as it is in the advanced West, a collection of ideas or ideals -- as an American might define himself as loyal to the American Constitution, and wishing to defend the political and legal institutions of this country, fortunately fashioned by an inimitable group of geniuses, and fortunately, not yet made complete hash even by those who embody the degradation of the democratic dogma.

54 posted on 01/19/2008 10:35:38 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

This is a pretty interesting article. I especially like this line, with respect to Arab Islamic imperialism:

>>and in this “Arab world” there are no Copts, no Armenians, no Assyrians, no Chaldeans, no Turkmen, no Mandeans, no Maronites, and of course no Berbers, no Jews (no, there never were any Jews in North Africa or the Middle East — they all came to Israel, you see, from Europe), for everyone in the Arab world was an “Arab.”


55 posted on 01/19/2008 10:59:13 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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