Posted on 01/17/2008 10:27:05 AM PST by neverdem
Thank you so very much for your blessings, dear brother in Christ! She is doing much, much better. But we’re only through about half of her stuff, trying to get it inventoried and stored.
Don’t get me started on small-molecule drugs. I just thought that, if you’re not married to your current work, you should give your first love another look.
That's becoming clear.
After all, a global flood would have wiped almost everthing clean.
And that would be easy to see! But what of all the places where there is continuity for 10,000+ years? Continuity in human cultures, soil layers, fauna and flora, mtDNA, etc.
But there is plenty of scientific evidence, and there is plenty of global folklore, all leaning in the direction of a global flood.
Scientific evidence? Please feel free to post that if you can't find any archaeological evidence.
In the meantime, your archeological brethren are leaving you behind:
I am familiar with that. It doesn't prove a global flood. Care to try again?
It’s fascinating to think about it sometimes. But when I do take the time to think about it, I truly am your brother in Christ. What an amazing God we serve! Not only are we spiritually related, but we go back all the way to the Garden of Eden. Is it possible to be sisters, brothers, cousins, mothers, fathers, grandparents, and great (great, great, great, ...) grandparents all at once? Only in God’s world! May the Lord bless you and keep you dear SISTER in Christ!!!
Thank you for your blessings, dear brother in Christ! And may God bless you, too - and all those you love.
It may take a little time to download, but how about we start with paleocurrents (indeed, I recommend you read the entire section on the geologic column):
http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html#Paleocurrents
http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html#Paleocurrents
You are using a creationist/ID website as scientific evidence? What a joke!
You said you had evidence from archaeology of the bible's accuracy. I asked for evidence from archaeology for a global flood--clearly the biggest and most obvious event in the past 5,000.
You have failed to provide any evidence! Please try again, and avoid those creationist websites for a change.
You’ll notice GGG picked it because it was *short and sweet* as he says.
He’s not trying to snow people and pass it off as science, as some people who pass themselves off as scientists on this forum do.
Not like evos who claim they’ve posted a *scientific link* and expect us to believe that wiki counts, and then scoff at us for not accepting it.
==You are using a creationist/ID website as scientific evidence? What a joke!
If you consider Creation/ID websites as a complete joke, not only have you exempted yourself from countervailing evidence, but you have closed yourself off from all further debate. How convenient.
Only if that's all you got! And I guess it is.
You claimed scientific evidence for the bible, I asked for the scientific evidence supporting a global flood at 4350 BP, and you can't find anything but creationist/ID sites to support your contention?
I think my point is already made.
Didn’t you read the Discover Magazine article?
“Among 175 flood myths, Masse found two of particular interest. A Hindu myth describes an alignment of the five bright planets that has happened only once in the last 5,000 years, according to computer simulations, and a Chinese story mentions that the great flood occurred at the end of the reign of Empress Nu Wa. Cross-checking historical records with astronomical data, Masse came up with a date for his event: May 10, 2807 B.C.”
LOL
GGG used Wiki for a clean fast cheap source of info, with apologies for it being from a ‘wiki’ style source. I know the subject and was able to confirm the validity of the data in the entry (i.e. the Universal Genetic Code is only mostly universal, many organisms use a slight variation with some of the codons specifying a different amino acid). I think that is a good use of Wiki, especially when there is someone around to confirm the basics of what the entry states.
And i am in no way trying to pass myself off as a Scientist. I am a Scientist. Anyone who reads my posts on Biology would know that either I am an extremely well educated layman or have a reasonable education as a specialist in the field. And hopefully you can take my word for the fact that I am not a layman. But I would in no way be ashamed to be a layman who is this well versed upon the subject, it might mean I know other subjects equally well (but unfortunately I don’t). ;)
If ex nihilo, then what were the details of *that* creation method? Could it not be that "ex nihilo" means out of nothing, Big Bang, 12 billion years plus evolution?
I am in awe of a God that could have the patience and power to do that.
A God that snaps his fingers and something happens is a fairy tale. If God creates the weather and has dominion over everyday life today, then He does it via tools in plain sight of us. And science explains them.
the scientific method should be used to find out if the physical evidence supports the Bible’s claims re: origins and cosmological history.
No matter how the creation occurred, it was a nearly infinitely complex thing that could never be described with clarity in a handful of Bible verses. I think you have a lack of imagination to connect those few words in Genesis with the immensity of reality around us and see that science does indeed describe Gods creation quite clearly.
jeddavis thinks that anything he believes is "science", and what he doesn't believe isn't science. We've had that discussion before.
But I think the more interesting point I made is that it is beyond doubt that when Christians insist that either evolution is true, or the Bible is true, but not both, then some Christians will abandon their faith as a result.
Why fight science if the cost will be some people's loss of their faith? Is it spite? Hatred? Rivalry? Or just the sheer pride that you are right and therefore people should acknowledge your superior knowledge? Are any of those things worth people living in the dark without Christ?
The ways of God are a mystery, and the details of Genesis is a mystery. Even if you think God "just did it", don't you think it was a complicated thing not possible to describe in a few verses in the Bible? Science believes it understands a part of the creation, but not nearly everything. So what? Accept Jesus and leave science alone.
Still won't say what you think science is, huh?
ML/NJ
It means nothing in terms of your claim that archaeology backs up the bible and the story of a global flood.
If there actually had been a global flood about 4350 years ago there would be worldwide evidence. Look at the evidence left in southern and eastern Washington state from the post Ice Age floods there. Those were small by comparison, and twice as old, yet we can still read the patterns nicely.
Now, think of the evidence a global flood of biblical proportions should have left. And such a flood also would have wiped out the evidence of the post Ice Age floods. And these channeled scablands are only one small piece of the evidence against the idea of a global flood at that time. mtDNA patterns alone disprove the flood story.
Archaeology in this case contradicts the bible, contrary to your claim many posts above.
Face it--you are arguing from religious belief, not scientific evidence.
I'm not really interested in the discussion. I think the evolution fight is damaging for Christians, and damaging for science, and think the useless battle should end.
The "true" definition of science is irrelevant to the fact that the fight can accomplish nothing positive for either side.
The Bible is not a science textbook, and the subject of science does not encompass faith. Those that use Genesis to attack science, and those that use science to attack faith are both abusing their respective disciplines.
If you believe in creationism, you have to believe in geocentrism. The bible says the earth is fixed and does not move.
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