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China Has Penetrated Key U.S. Databases: SANS Director
SC Magazine ^ | January 18, 2008 | By Jack Rogers

Posted on 01/18/2008 4:41:50 PM PST by JACKRUSSELL

An aggressive, non-stop campaign by China to penetrate key government and industry databases in the United States already has succeeded and the United States urgently needs to monitor all internet traffic to critical government and private-sector networks “to find the enemy within,” SANS Institute Director of Research Alan Paller told SCMagazineUS.com.

“They are already in and we have to find them,” Paller said.

Paller said that empirical evidence analyzed by researchers leaves little doubt that the Chinese government has mounted a non-stop, well-financed attack to breach key national security and industry databases, adding that it is likely that this effort is making use of personnel provided by China's People's Liberation Army.

The “smoking guns” pointing to a government-directed effort are keystroke logs of the attacks, which have been devoid of errors usually found in amateur hack attacks, the use of spear phishing to gain entry into computer networks, and the massively repetitive nature of the assault, the SANS research director said.

“This is not amateur hacking. They are going back to the same places 100 times a day, every day. This kind of an effort requires a massive amount of money and resources,” Paller told SCMagazineUS.com.

Paller said that monitoring all internet traffic – including email – to government and private-sector networks is necessary in order to pinpoint breaches and, ultimately, to prevent cyberspies from extracting critical data. The traffic must be carefully analyzed to detect “micro-patterns” that reveal breaches, he said.

“We have to find the needle in the haystack,” he said.

SANS earlier this week placed espionage from China and other nations near the top of its annual list of cybersecurity menaces, reporting that targeted spear phishing is the weapon of choice used in the assault on U.S. databases and those of its allies.

“They are using spear phishing because it is so effective, and it is the least difficult technique [of gaining entry]” Paller said. “They can target anyone within an organization who has a computer. Once they get in, they can go everywhere.”

In November, President Bush requested $154 million in funding for what is expected to be a seven-year, multibillion-dollar program to track cyberthreats on government and private networks. The proposed countermeasures include the reduction of access points between government computers and the internet from a current level of 2,000 to 50, and the assignment of up to 2,000 DHS and NSA security experts to full-time monitoring of critical infrastructure networks to prevent unauthorized instrusion.

Key members of Congressional oversight committees have complained that they have not been fully briefed on the proposal and they have raised concerns about the potential infringement on privacy.

According to SANS' research director, the monitoring envisioned by the government's cybersecurity plan can be implemented without trampling on privacy rights as long as procedures are in place to ensure that it is the traffic itself, rather than the contents of email messages, that is being monitored.

“Monitoring email traffic is not the same thing as reading everyone's email,” Paller said.

The scope of the cybersecurity problem was underlined this week in a profile of U.S. Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Mike McConnell published this week in the New Yorker magazine.

The New Yorker article reported that the Defense Department currently is detecting about three million unauthorized probes on its computer networks every day, while the State Department fends off two million probes daily.

These probes often turn into full-scale attacks, the magazine reported, such as the assault last year on the Pentagon that required 1,500 computers to be taken offline. American allies also have been targeted: In May, the German government blamed the Chinese military after it discovered a spyware program had been planted inside government computers in several key ministries. Chinese officials called the accusation “preposterous.”

McConnell has made information security a top priority for the myriad intelligence agencies he oversees, including the NSA, CIA and the Pentagon's intelligence arm.

The DNI said that Chinese computer attacks have intensified in recent months, while hacking activity emanating from Russia has remained at Cold War levels. Ed Giorgio, a security consultant who worked at the NSA under McConnell, told the New Yorker that China now has 40,000 hackers collecting intelligence off U.S. information systems and those of U.S. allies.

As intense as the assault on U.S. intelligence networks appears to be, cyberespionage directed by foreign governments against U.S. companies is an even bigger problem, McConnell said. “The real question is what to do about industry. Ninety-five percent of this is a private-sector problem,” he told the New Yorker.

The SANS Institute's annual listing of top 10 cyber menaces reported that China and other nations last year had engineered “massive penetration” of U.S. federal agencies and defense contractors, stealing terabytes of data. The institue said that these attacks are expected to intensify this year.

“In 2008, despite intense scrutiny, these nation-state attacks will expand,” SANS warned. “More targets and increased sophistication will mean many successes for attackers. Economic espionage will be increasingly common as nation-states use cybertheft of data to gain economic advantage in multinational deals.”

SANS said the “attack of choice” by foreign cyberwarriors is a form of targeted spear phishing using attachments and well-researched social engineering methods to make the victim believe that an attachment comes from a trusted source. SANS also said overseas hackers are making use of newly discovered Microsoft Office vulnerabilities and hiding their techniques to circumvent virus checking.

McAfee's Avert Labs, in its McAfee Virtual Criminology Report, predicted that the rise in international cyber spying will pose the number one security threat in 2008.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abledanger; bushfault; bushlegacy; chicoms; china; clintonlegacy; communism; cybersecurity; espionage; internet; lenovo; loral; securitybreach; traitor; yearoftherat
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1 posted on 01/18/2008 4:41:52 PM PST by JACKRUSSELL
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To: Duchess47; jahp; LilAngel; metmom; EggsAckley; Battle Axe; SweetCaroline; Grizzled Bear; ...
WARNING MADE IN CHINA

”Made in China” Ping.

(Please FReepmail me if you would like to be on or off of the list.)
2 posted on 01/18/2008 4:42:08 PM PST by JACKRUSSELL
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To: JACKRUSSELL

With “friends” like these....


3 posted on 01/18/2008 4:44:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

China...most favored nation. Right.


4 posted on 01/18/2008 4:46:00 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Does this make it clear that we cannot again have a Clinton in the White House. We wonder if all those who went out of their way to see that the Chinese connection was not investigated will ever be known.


5 posted on 01/18/2008 4:46:48 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Someone should create an alternative, or alternatives, to the internet. That sensitive information is so open to the world is madness.


6 posted on 01/18/2008 4:48:51 PM PST by decimon
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To: AmericanVictory
Does this make it clear that we cannot again have a Clinton in the White House.

Do we have a Clinton in the white house now? Sure seems that way.
7 posted on 01/18/2008 4:51:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Paul Ross; Jeff Head

PING


8 posted on 01/18/2008 5:13:47 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: cripplecreek
Things will get alot easier for the chinese when Hillary and bill occupy the Whitehouse once more. GET OUT AND VOTE
9 posted on 01/18/2008 5:18:50 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: AmericanVictory
Bush is in charge now, the Repubs pushed for MFN status for China, Clinton signed.

Repubs and Dems both love commies for trade and business, so you can’t blame Clinton for everything. Bush has appeared weak to the Chinese since the spy plane hostage incident.

10 posted on 01/18/2008 5:20:19 PM PST by BGHater ('A Nation's best defense is an educated citizenry'-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cripplecreek
You can’t seriously compare Bush’s ‘favors’ to the ChiComs to the Clintons’, can you? Bush didn’t enable them to drop a nuke on our west coast.
11 posted on 01/18/2008 5:21:54 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Prokopton

Good thing Thompson voted for that.


12 posted on 01/18/2008 5:22:04 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: JACKRUSSELL
Where is the Captain Obvious image?

What should anyone expect when big chunks of software development and testing are done in China... not to mention innumerable "fresh off the boat" Chinese developers here in this country on work visas?

13 posted on 01/18/2008 5:28:18 PM PST by fso301
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

What is Bush doing about the fact that the Chinese are selling the weapons that are killing our soldiers? What about the endless string of poison being sent to us in a whole range of products? What about the fact that the Chinese are continuing to spy on us and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future? Recently the DOD claimed they had no way of tracking who makes much of our sensitive equipment.

There’s a good reason using the Clintons as a scare tactic simply doesn’t work any more.


14 posted on 01/18/2008 5:37:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: fso301

Don’t forget the students of all our technical universities, doing research for our scientists, paid for by government grants. Shoot, they don’t have to hack, their second cousin is doing the research!


15 posted on 01/18/2008 6:23:20 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
Someone in authority on our side should read Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War” (ISBN0 19 501476 6) and consider the art of fighting without fighting and how a successful general may win without fighting.

Sun Tzu believed that the army was the instrument which gave the coup de grace to an enemy that was made vulnerable prior the hostilities. Secret agents separated the enemy’s allies from him and conducted a variety of clandestine subversive activities that set him up for the operation.

Note especially the chapter on “Employment of Secret Agents”

16 posted on 01/18/2008 6:23:42 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Is this related to the goods sold to the Chinese by billclinton?


17 posted on 01/18/2008 6:24:26 PM PST by bannie ("Beware!!! clintons CHEAT!")
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To: huldah1776
I think anyone with a website having a login on it undestands the relentlessness of the attacks from Chinese and Russian IP addresses.

Can't say I see nearly as much from India which is why if I had to outsource, India would be far higher on my list of places to outsource to than China or Russia.

18 posted on 01/18/2008 6:33:45 PM PST by fso301
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To: JACKRUSSELL; backhoe; Cindy; ShadowAce; HAL9000; Incorrigible; Database; kcvl; bd476; neverdem; ...

U.S. Won’t Cede Control of Net Computers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1434569/posts

FBI tries to fight zombie hordes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850579/posts

US diplomats alerted over Chinese computers (LENOVO)
American diplomats have been instructed not to keep classified material on 16,000 newly purchased computers because the manufacturer is partly-owned by the Chinese government.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635442/posts

US group wants China ‘spy’ probe (State Dept orders Lenovo Laptops)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1604617/posts

Statement by the President - He’s loosening export controls on super computers! (1999 - CLINTON)
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a377ba1de06a1.htm


19 posted on 01/18/2008 6:55:57 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Up until about a year ago it was the Russians who were the main problem. As a webadmin I can testify that the Chinese hackers are now the biggest threat, at least on the commercial sites that I manage.

The attack attempts have been flooding my logs with 10000+ attempts/day.

We recently banned all Chinese IP addrs at the firewall. We get less than 0.1% sales from China and most of those are stolen credit cards anyway. (We banned Russia years ago for the same reason.)


20 posted on 01/18/2008 6:56:30 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: JACKRUSSELL

btt


21 posted on 01/18/2008 7:58:03 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: cripplecreek
If you think there is no difference between a RINO and a hardcore Stalinist commie, you are foolishly mistaken. I don’t like RINOs any more than any other conservative, but we have only seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what the Stalinists who ran the WH from 92 to 2000 gave to our enemies. Gertz has done a good job of exposing the Clintons, who were guilty of ‘sins of commission.’ Bush has been weak, too, but his wrongs fall more into the category of ‘sins of omission.’ Not excusable, but hardly on a par with taken campaign contributions from known ChiComs and rewarding them with missile-guidance technology. And the Clintons are still at it. Let’s not forget their recent campaign scandals involving the ChiComs.
22 posted on 01/18/2008 8:00:52 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: huldah1776

Yup. Try colleges and universities. We teach them how to do what they do, and we pay them to do it while they’re here.


23 posted on 01/18/2008 8:04:20 PM PST by petitfour
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To: JACKRUSSELL

24 posted on 01/18/2008 8:43:10 PM PST by winstonwolf33 ("Priapus, king and master! Master of the Universe! King of the Jungle!"--Bonfire of the Vanities)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

I assume in any hot confrontation with china, the US military and government would see exactly what they can do to US networks. Trash-talk and one-liners aside, I assume this would not be pretty.


25 posted on 01/18/2008 8:50:52 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Gideon7

Where would I find a list of the IP ranges used by China and Russia? simply banning both makes too much sense to not do it.


26 posted on 01/18/2008 8:52:14 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: JACKRUSSELL
Let them in and let them conviently find the plans for a nuclear retaliation if they mess with Taiwan.

You could also provide credible plans for overthrowing their government.

27 posted on 01/18/2008 8:58:31 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: milford421; Founding Father; Calpernia

Ping.


28 posted on 01/18/2008 9:51:40 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886546/posts?page=4972#4972 45 Item Communist Manifesto)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Bump


29 posted on 01/18/2008 10:56:36 PM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Please Jack, Freepmail everyone per Satindoll:

With all this penetration, is it possible that China is planning an attack on the US by using a DDOS attack? Maybe, and I’m just guessing here, but from what I have seen before on other networks, is it perhaps that they aren’t looking just for information. I’m not 100% sure on this, but it fits a scenario that I’ve seen elsewhere on a much smaller scale.


30 posted on 01/18/2008 11:35:56 PM PST by SatinDoll (Fredhead and proud of it!)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
"'This kind of an effort requires a massive amount of money and resources,' Paller told SCMagazineUS.com."

Why would he tell such a lie, especially while our business and government leadership is funding China's military buildup?

"Paller said that monitoring all internet traffic – including email – to government and private-sector networks is necessary...In November, President Bush requested $154 million in funding for what is expected to be a seven-year, multibillion-dollar program to track cyberthreats on government and private networks."

Oh, I see... so their MS-using, degreed retards can help to railroad and imprison more victims whose computers have been cracked and controlled by their US-educated, offshore PLA employees.


31 posted on 01/19/2008 12:21:38 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

They are waging war on us and we can’t even get them adjust their currency. Something’s not right here.


32 posted on 01/19/2008 12:43:52 AM PST by TheThinker
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To: JACKRUSSELL

bttt


33 posted on 01/19/2008 12:52:43 AM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: TheThinker

The truth of the matter is that China has been adjusting its currency. But that raises the prices of Chinese exports to here (the USA). Our import business and government leadership don’t want the dollar to go down with respect to foreign currencies, and they don’t want freight fuel to go up. After about 40 years, our bosses’ (both political parties and most of the biggest businesses) game is about to end. They’re freaking out, and they’re lying to us.

I say let ‘er rip. May oil go to $200 per barrel and the dollar to equal the yuan. We’re spoiled rotten. We need to learn some lessons and get right with G-d, family and country (in that order—not the other way around).


34 posted on 01/19/2008 12:56:57 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
Maybe the gov't should switch to Macs.
I keep reading on FR that they are hacker-proof :)
35 posted on 01/19/2008 1:39:24 AM PST by ComputerGuy (An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy)
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To: AmericanVictory
Does this make it clear that we cannot again have a Clinton in the White House.

Consider the possibility McCain is a tool of the Chinese communists... they had him as a captive for quite a while...

36 posted on 01/19/2008 1:52:30 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Yep, McCain is a tool, just not sure whose tool he is but I too would bet on the Chinese communists... they had him as a captive for quite a while, 5+years is long enough!


37 posted on 01/19/2008 3:56:35 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


38 posted on 01/19/2008 4:03:25 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

>>>“Employment of Secret Agents”

“Disarm your enemy in peace by diplomacy and trade if you would conquer him more readily on the field of battle”

- Klaus von Clausewitz, father of German militarism


39 posted on 01/19/2008 4:12:56 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Gideon7
We recently banned all Chinese IP addrs at the firewall. We get less than 0.1% sales from China and most of those are stolen credit cards anyway. (We banned Russia years ago for the same reason.) .

That must be a massive database, though. I already hit the size limit for my .htaccess for my site denials..there are so many IP adresses. You must have to work on it constantly.

Any tips will be appreciated!

40 posted on 01/19/2008 4:14:11 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

~~memories~~

(1990) John McCain said on the floor of the Senate: “Mr. President, I am anxious to construct a new relationship with our old adversary (Vietnam)”. He, who was in a Vietnamese prison camps for five and a half years, was pushing hard for normalized relations with Hanoi long before anyone else was.

Between when Clinton said that he would not normalize relations with Vietnam until there was a full accounting of POWs/MIAs and the time he lifted the Trade Embargo only two Americans had been accounted for in Vietnam.

Lifting the embargo opened the door for the multi-billion dollar corporation, Lippo Group with American business partners, such as Stephens Investment of Little Rock, AR to conduct business in Vietnam. Mr A. Vernon Weaver, at that time the Vice-President for Operations in the Pacific Rim of Stephens Investment and a member of the Board of Visitors at the U.S. Naval Academy was instrumental in arranging an upgrade of the position of Commandant of the U.S. Naval Academy from two stars to four stars.

Former U.S. Navy officers, Senators John Kerry and John McCain supported this reorganization.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm

An indication of just how deep and subtle Red Chinese roots run in U.S. business and government affairs deals with McCain and Kerry. Both McCain and Kerry fought long and hard to provide the political cover Clinton needed when he made the controversial decision to normalize relations with Vietnam. McCain’s wife, Cindy, is the daughter of James Hensley, who is the second largest Anheuser-Busch distributor in the United States. McCain is an officer in Hensley & Co. and Cindy is a vice president. The McCain family owns several million dollars in Anheuser-Busch stock.

As a part of an aggressive campaign to enhance its international standing in the beer market, Anheuser-Busch has had signned contracts and invested hundreds of millions building brewery operations in China and Vietnam. I can’t link any of those contracts involve Lippo. Some docs retrieved from the net revealed that Riady’s Lippo is the holder of a license for Sea World in Indonesia and that Anheuser-Busch owns all the Sea World themeparks in the United States as well as some overseas.

Is there a connection between Anheuser-Busch and Lippo?
http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm

SeaWorld/Lippo Connection:

Old URL: http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm

Internet Cache: http://web.archive.org/web/19980530014836/http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm

Net cache shows Lippo holds/held the license on Sea World in Indonesia.

“Today I am lifting the trade embargo against Vietnam because I am absolutely convinced it offers us the best way to resolve the fate of those who remain missing and about whom we are not sure.” Two things happened between November 1992 and February 1994 which bear on this issue. One was that Senators John Kerry and John McCain lobbied the president to drop the embargo. The second thing was that in September 1993 the head of the Lippo Group, Mochtar Riady, led a trade mission of Asian bankers on a trip to Vietnam to (in his words) “size up business opportunities there.” Lippo helps, among other things, to finance trade deals. It therefore stood to benefit enormously from expanded trade between Vietnam and the United States;

Old URL: http://www.empower.org/html/policy/misc/roadmap3.htm

See Internet Cache:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000816001233/http://www.empower.org/html/policy/misc/roadmap3.htm


41 posted on 01/19/2008 4:25:03 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
GREAT SCOTT! Just how much porn have the Chinese stolen?!?

After all, if they want our top secrets, they just need to ask...

42 posted on 01/19/2008 4:30:13 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SatinDoll; Duchess47; jahp; LilAngel; metmom; EggsAckley; Battle Axe; SweetCaroline; ...
Please Jack, Freepmail everyone per Satindoll:

With all this penetration, is it possible that China is planning an attack on the US by using a DDOS attack? Maybe, and I’m just guessing here, but from what I have seen before on other networks, is it perhaps that they aren’t looking just for information. I’m not 100% sure on this, but it fits a scenario that I’ve seen elsewhere on a much smaller scale.
43 posted on 01/19/2008 5:10:58 AM PST by JACKRUSSELL
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To: Calpernia

Bump.


44 posted on 01/19/2008 5:52:12 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886546/posts?page=4972#4972 45 Item Communist Manifesto)
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To: Calpernia

Interesting stuff...


45 posted on 01/19/2008 6:10:27 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
Two words.

Cyber.

Warfare.

or

Electronic.

Blitzkrieg.

Think of The Art of War or Oriental philosophy in general -- lie about your intentions, soft-pedal your strengths, and attack in a way that you've won the war without having to risk open battle.

America's military and economic strength is predicated on its 'wiredness'.

If they disable our C-and-C (by denying us the ability to *communicate*) they can just waltz in and *take* Taiwan.

And put an end to the impression of American invulnerability.

Couple that with judiciously chosen sabotage and/or suicide attacks (say of key personnel at our Clintonized national labs), and the hollowing out of our infrastructure (we *import* apples from China!!? What happened to the state of Washington), and China sees itself as invincible -- they have us on manufacturing, technology, population, and (for Taiwan) short supply lines.

IF this happens, I hope President Thompson has the balls to summarily execute a couple dozen CEOs for treason.

(Please note that the 'common sense' punishment for those CEOs, the bill of attainder, is explicitly unconstitutional -- which is why all the Dems were pushing for 'censure plus' for Bill Clinton. Lying scum.)

Cheers!

46 posted on 01/19/2008 7:26:50 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

47 posted on 01/19/2008 7:36:23 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: decimon
Someone should create an alternative, or alternatives, to the internet. That sensitive information is so open to the world is madness.

We have it. It's called the SIPR Net. However, that doesn't prevent idiots from putting sensitive information on Internet-connected systems.

48 posted on 01/19/2008 9:04:09 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Statement by the President - He’s loosening export controls on super computers! (1999 - CLINTON)

That one actually made sense. The export controls were pegged at a processing power that was formerly only attainable by huge supercomputers. At the time they were loosened, that power was available on a desktop. The static restriction meant our computer industry soon wouldn't be able to export anything, and foreign competitors would have filled the need. Only a few years after this people were able to make supercomputers using Sony's PlayStation 2 game console.

49 posted on 01/19/2008 9:10:56 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: CJ Wolf

The House vote was 259-173 in favor.

146 Republicans and 112 Democrats took the floor to plead FOR MFN, including the speaker.

The Senate voted 60-38 for.

But, yet, you pick out FRed. What did your guy do? Sit on his thumbs?

Many people, including you, don’t realize what the effects of being left out of China’s trade would have meant.
The problem IS NOT that China has MFN status. It’s the Trade Agreement is bad!
Now, who negotiated that?

Notice, if you will, that FRed has been calling for FAIR & FREE Trade, saying, all along, that the agreement’s are skewed, and need to be re-negotiated.


50 posted on 01/19/2008 9:46:09 AM PST by papasmurf (I'm voting for FRed, even if I have to write him in.)
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