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Gamer uses virtual training to save lives
http://www.yahoo.com ^ | Jan. 18, 2008 | Ben Silverman

Posted on 01/18/2008 7:15:08 PM PST by fr_freak

Think playing video games is little more than a great way to waste time? Then you haven't met Paxton Galvanek. Last November, the twenty-eight year-old helped rescue two victims from an overturned SUV on the shoulder of a North Carolina interstate. As the first one on the scene, Galvanek safely removed both individuals from the smoking vehicle and properly assessed and treated their wounds, which included bruises, scrapes, head trauma and the loss of two fingers.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cthulu; gaming; virtuallife; virtualmedic
Who says gaming is a waste of time?
1 posted on 01/18/2008 7:15:10 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

My wonder is: How come we can’t apply these same learning techniques to America’s classrooms?


2 posted on 01/18/2008 7:17:55 PM PST by kingu (Fred08 - The Constitution is the value I'm voting for. What value are you voting for?)
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To: fr_freak

Gee—and I’ve been trying to discourage my grandson from spending so much time playing games with his X-Box.....


3 posted on 01/18/2008 7:18:50 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: fr_freak

Actually I believe that many agencies and at least one branch of the military use games as instructional materials. The British and our own Navy had a game company create games that would simulate emergency situations. I don’t know the specifics but believe the “emergencies” had something to do with practicing responses to terrorist attacks. So clearly this is an excellent device for learning.


4 posted on 01/18/2008 7:30:02 PM PST by ottbmare
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To: fr_freak
Who says gaming is a waste of time?

statistically speaking, this is probably what they call a "black swan."

5 posted on 01/18/2008 7:45:37 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can't stand the heat, get out of the melting pot.)
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To: kingu
My wonder is: How come we can’t apply these same learning techniques to America’s classrooms?

just what we need, a still more effective way to turn young people into leftists.

6 posted on 01/18/2008 7:48:41 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can't stand the heat, get out of the melting pot.)
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To: kingu

Because it’s Army training. The NEA would freak out lol


7 posted on 01/18/2008 8:22:15 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: fr_freak

This is a planted story.

There is absolutely no doubt that it was the American’s Army military PR staff that contacted this reporter Ben Silverman and spoonfed him this story. Absolutely no doubt that the America’s Army PR staff coached and fed the hero of this tory his quotes for publications. Having done the entire 10 minutes it takes to do the “medic training” in the AA game, this story comes off as beyond a disgusting sham, reeks of desperation on the part of the AA development staff, and is outright pathetic.


8 posted on 01/18/2008 8:23:00 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: the invisib1e hand

Erm... Not so much.

Most people my age grew up playing video games. One of the things I’ve noticed with my generation as opposed to those that came before is that in cases of crises, those who grew up being thrown shock after shock and surprise after surprise are a lot less likely to lock up in a sudden emergency.

Why? Because when Cthulu jumped out of a dark corner at you at 2am on your computer - and you BEAT him, having a car accident happen in front of you isn’t much of a shock by comparison.

There was a kid in FL who used the two-gun technique plus the tactics he’d learned from Halo 2 to save his family from an armed home invader. Kid 1, perp 0, furniture 0 (perp shot up furniture kid was using for cover.)


9 posted on 01/18/2008 8:52:54 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kingu

Because automated teaching like this would render 90% of teachers useless and unemployed. And the NEA wouldn’t like that.

A computer program is fully capable of teaching most subjects to a student without supervision.


10 posted on 01/18/2008 8:58:00 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
There is absolutely no doubt that it was the American’s Army military PR staff that contacted this reporter Ben Silverman and spoonfed him this story. Absolutely no doubt that the America’s Army PR staff coached and fed the hero of this tory his quotes for publications. Having done the entire 10 minutes it takes to do the “medic training” in the AA game, this story comes off as beyond a disgusting sham, reeks of desperation on the part of the AA development staff, and is outright pathetic.

I may be reading between the lines a little here, but I sense some hint of skepticism on your part regarding the authenticity of this article.
11 posted on 01/18/2008 9:02:07 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Spktyr
like everything else about your virtual reality, this is 9 generations removed from reality.

because a make-believe cthulu jumped out at you from a make-believe corner on a make believe night, some misguided kid is going to it, too. I suppose it's a good thing you're prepared for him, but a guy who grew up in a very real world has to wonder, doesn't life present enough challenges and opportunities without having to make pretend?

In other words, the "reality" you're prepared for is a product of the unreality you grew up in.

So if that's a good thing, Cheers.

12 posted on 01/18/2008 9:04:55 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can't stand the heat, get out of the melting pot.)
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To: Spktyr
A computer program is fully capable of teaching most subjects to a student without supervision.

Only people who grew up in closets without normal human interaction can really believe this.

get some fresh air. take a saturday morning and go fishing. Take that freaking iPod out of your ears and go to a coffee shop. Start a conversation with a human being -- a conversation whose end you don't know from the beginning with a being you cannot control.

It's called "living."

13 posted on 01/18/2008 9:07:13 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can't stand the heat, get out of the melting pot.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You are aware that the military is using video games to train its officers and enlisted now, right?

But, you say, how can this be? It doesn’t prepare them for the realities of combat, since it is not real.

Well, it turns out it’s more effective than many of the “traditional” advanced training techniques. Surprise!

Let me guess. You’re about 50 or older, right?


14 posted on 01/18/2008 9:11:43 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Hm. So, you’re saying that people should be outside having conversations with each other.

Why are you on FR, then?


15 posted on 01/18/2008 9:12:21 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
OK, this sort of reasoning is actually common to all, regardless of whether they drool over keyboards and joysticks all day or not.

Your reaction presumes -- invokes the unannounced presumption -- that if growing up with a joystick duct-taped to your palm is not a good thing, then any and all "virtual" training is not a good thing. Don't recall saying that.

Please consider your presumptions, I'll consider mine.

The military has pioneered intensive training for intensive situations since before even I was born. But intensive situations are not normal life. Or at least they weren't, before two generations were raised to believe they were by the media age and its pernicious child, the "gaming" culture.

In NYC, it's after midnight and below freezing. Is that a good enough reason not to be out "having a conversation?"

16 posted on 01/18/2008 9:24:46 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can't stand the heat, get out of the melting pot.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Nope. If games and the virtual world have no benefits, then that’s not a good enough reason.

There are always 24 hour coffeeshops in New York City; you could also view the cold and misery you have to endure to get there as “character building.” So, get off FR and get thee to thy coffeeshop for a conversation.

Or be labelled a hypocrite. Your choice.


17 posted on 01/18/2008 9:28:10 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
it's bipolar reasoning. either/or. if A is not accurate, -A must be.

All fallacies.

as someone once wrote about the digital age, "you're either a one or you're a zero.And, given that humans' view of the world is colored by their view of themselves, ergo, it's all ones and zeros.

Not!

18 posted on 01/18/2008 9:30:36 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can't stand the heat, get out of the melting pot.)
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To: Spktyr
I am going to drag my tired old body out for breath of air and cup of coffee, actually.

It's fun to go out into a city where everyone wears earbuds or stares into their Blackberries.

19 posted on 01/18/2008 9:33:25 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can't stand the heat, get out of the melting pot.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Apparently you've never been involved in any training delivered by computer. It's how I've learned to do quite a few cool things with my architectural CAD program.

Many companies use computer training for new hires; saves other employees having to spend time bringing someone up to speed on the inner workings of the company.

20 posted on 01/18/2008 10:01:55 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Spktyr

Hey now! Don’t be casting aspersions on us over 50 folks. Some of us know our way around some computer programs. I will not lie and say I’m that proficient, but the things I WANT to learn, I can learn rather well. ;o)


21 posted on 01/18/2008 10:03:32 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: JerseyHighlander
Re: This is a planted story.

Gee ya think. Good eye. (it even gives the link to the game)

I guess a First Aid or CERT/First Responder class could have sufficed...

22 posted on 01/18/2008 10:08:25 PM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Spktyr

LOL

My son shot expert with the M4, M203 and SMAW at USMC basic. We figure he had about 10K hours of weapons sim time by he hit Basic (video + airsoft gaming). He was used to all the different sighting devices to include the RPG 7.

His DI was most curious at our visit opon his graduation. Just for the record I retired from the uSAF - but encouraged my son to learn all he could - from any source.


23 posted on 01/18/2008 10:09:12 PM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: SuziQ
Apparently ...

how, exactly, is that apparent?

dig deep, and formulate a reasoned response.

It'll be a good exercise for you.

24 posted on 01/18/2008 10:21:20 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can't stand the heat, get out of the melting pot.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
This is a planted story.

There is absolutely no doubt that it was the American’s Army military PR staff that contacted this reporter Ben Silverman and spoonfed him this story. Absolutely no doubt that the America’s Army PR staff coached and fed the hero of this tory his quotes for publications. Having done the entire 10 minutes it takes to do the “medic training” in the AA game, this story comes off as beyond a disgusting sham, reeks of desperation on the part of the AA development staff, and is outright pathetic.

Well, considering the article came from the video game portion of Yahoo's website, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

25 posted on 01/18/2008 10:23:00 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (10mm. When 9 just ain't enough.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
dig deep, and formulate a reasoned response.

Whatever.

That's as reasoned as you 'apparently' deserve. ;o)

26 posted on 01/18/2008 10:41:00 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: kingu

How about a virtual walk through cradle to grave of every constitutional founder? I’m in.


27 posted on 01/19/2008 5:18:45 AM PST by Eddie01 (Freepers don't let Freepers get spun)
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To: ASOC

Another good example of how computer gaming can teach is in the field of history.

To most kids, the Normandy landings seem dull and boring and might as well be lightyears removed from their reality, because all there are of the real landings is still photos and some bad films. They just don’t appreciate it - all it is is words and still pictures in a book they have to learn.

Put that same kid down in front of Medal Of Honor on the computer and the whole thing changes. You’re in the leading wave of the Omaha beach landing there... the boat ramp goes down... and you’re in the anteroom of Hell itself when the Germans open up from the cliffs. Sometimes you get out of the boat. Sometimes you’re shot immediately. Most of the time you die long, long before you get to the beach.

Omaha Beach vets said that the game level was pretty realistic. Kids (and young adults that played it) suddenly realized just how *hard* that was, and gained a new appreciation for history and the hard men that charged into the surf at Normandy, oh those many years ago.


28 posted on 01/20/2008 2:14:41 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fr_freak
Hmmm... 28 posts so far and not one has included the word "simulator."

At a guess, no one here has read Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game, either.

29 posted on 01/20/2008 2:45:48 AM PST by Tenniel2 (If you liked the nomenklatura, you'll love the PIAPSburo.)
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To: fr_freak
Cool. Lots of potential here - If planet Earth is ever overrun by aliens, I'm your man!
30 posted on 01/20/2008 2:47:10 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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