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Alternate title: As Casualties Decline, Some Question the Stability of the Media
1 posted on 01/19/2008 6:11:41 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I always walk right up and say “Thank you for your service to our country. You are a hero.” They smile bashfully and say “Your welcome” or something like “Yes ma’am.” It’s great.


2 posted on 01/19/2008 6:15:04 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

It is one of the pleasures of my life, that when I see a person in uniform, to say, “On behalf of myself and my family, thank you for your service to our country” and shake their hand.

It is an honor, as well. And it doesn’t matter where I am.


3 posted on 01/19/2008 6:15:48 AM PST by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

YOU ARE SICK


4 posted on 01/19/2008 6:19:48 AM PST by Schichtel (Scorch)
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Steyn always nails it. But this time, he nailed it with a 10-penny nail, repeatedly. It is a delight, and a tribute to Steyn's research, that he found and brought in the work of our friend Iowahawk.

Great work by Steyn. There are thousands of national politicians and media pundits who would increase their knowledge about the war by 1,000% just by reading, and understanding, this one article on the subject.

Congressman Billybob

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5 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:33 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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"Unrelated incidents, or mounting evidence that America's newsrooms have become a breeding ground for murderous, drunk, gun-wielding child molesters?"

You have to love Iowahawk.

6 posted on 01/19/2008 6:31:14 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Have we found those tens of thousands of homeless veterans of the WoT yet?


8 posted on 01/19/2008 6:37:50 AM PST by cake_crumb (Being a preacher DOES NOT exempt you from being a liar and a crook)
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The very best way of greeting returning vets? A job fair.

Even though the law says that deployed military personnel cannot be fired, many employers do so anyway. There is no easy way to even guess how many returning vets are in need of immediate employment (15%? 30%?).

And right now, many businesses are starting layoffs with the idea of some degree of economic recession in the near term.

But the idea that there are a bunch of prospective employers out there who *prefer* to hire vets, would be the best news that many vets could see, other than returning to their families.


9 posted on 01/19/2008 6:39:07 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Terrific article. It should be on the op ed page today of any paper that wants/cares to rescue its credibility.
10 posted on 01/19/2008 6:39:14 AM PST by Melinda
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Consider the sheer desperation of the Times’ stunt. It is the pathetic lashing out of a political persuasion that has long since lost the ability to win hearts and minds in honest debate. The Left never really debated anyone though, or was honest.

Their tactic was to always speak in broad terms of “compassion” and “caring’ and “inclusion” and “open mindedness” while they worked to undermine and destroy the thing they hate to the very core of their being: America and her Judaeo-Christian enlightenment and mores. This stunt actually worked in the early ‘70’s, just as most of what they did between the ‘50’s through the 70’s bore fruit but they’ve lost a lot of traction now and things are really getting interesting.

12 posted on 01/19/2008 6:46:40 AM PST by TalBlack
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Heck, last time I ran into some GIs in chocolate chips, I paid for their lunches (they were in the line behind me at the Wendy’s at Atlanta-Hartsfield. . .)


13 posted on 01/19/2008 6:52:59 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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Oh, cripes. So the NYT is trying to “Kerryize” the troops again. You remember John Kerry? He was the guy who promoted the rumors (all false) that US Troops were murdering savages who raped children by the thousands in Vietnam.

Later the exact same media tactics were used against Vietnam vets by the MSM. I recall having people back away from me at parties if they learned I was a Nam vet. Stories were rampant about Vietnam vets who went wacko. None of the stories noted that the proportion of Nam vets who went nuts was lower than the proportion of, say, psychiatrists or policemen or liberals. Same same as the NYT today. They are boocoo #10 haters of the troops. I say some tripwired claymores set up outside the NYT offices cure their viciousness permanently. (Just kidding). Sorry ‘bout that.


15 posted on 01/19/2008 6:56:33 AM PST by Seruzawa
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The original NYT article seems to have crawled back under the rock it was found beneath. Usually, the drive-by media would have kept this in the news cycle for at least a week or more. So baseless and poorly reckoned were the statistics played in that article that the usual front page propaganda never really had any traction.

Of course, all the revealing postmortems on that article, such as this ocregister one, are even more difficult to find.

In the old days, pre-pajamas media, the original would have run its usual course, and slandered/libeled the subjects.


19 posted on 01/19/2008 7:13:33 AM PST by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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The Left is crazed. They really do need psychotherapy. The very people who question the sanity of the troops never question their own assumptions. As far as wars go, the Iraq War should be cause for celebration. But not to people who retreat to a doom and gloom fantasy world in which nothing ever goes right for the United States. The MSM's evolving reporting of the troops as psychopaths looting, raping and mass murdering in Iraq to psychopaths, looting, raping and murdering at home has been real subtle. So much for the Left's claim to support the troops.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 01/19/2008 7:55:03 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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"Unrelated incidents, or mounting evidence that America's newsrooms have become a breeding ground for murderous, drunk, gun-wielding child molesters?"

Once again, Steyn nails it!

Everyone: READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE!!!!!

24 posted on 01/19/2008 7:55:26 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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WTG, hawk


27 posted on 01/19/2008 8:12:34 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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One of the real shames of the Iraq war and aftermath have been the failure of the claimed “conservative” commentators to have the guts to go against the PC-beltway-Dim line and point out that while each casualty is sad, the US casualty rate in the war on terrorism and the Iraqi theater of operations of the war on terrorism particularly have been quite low. I am glad to see Mark Steyn have the guts to step up.

Those interested should look at US KIA rates in past wars or really compare them to the US population. A thesis of mine is that only because the casualty rate is so low do the press and Dims dare run down the war effort and the troops. If the casualty rate were high, they would be more circumspect in such criticism because in every audience there would be a mother, brother, father, sister, son, daugher etc of one of those who died in battle who likely would be offended by such talk.


29 posted on 01/19/2008 8:36:34 AM PST by JLS
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I'm not going to search for the post, but about 6-9 months ago, I predicted on FR that the Old Media would do precisely this, especially if we started doing well in the war.

You can tell what the media is going to do in Iraq coverage by following their history in Vietnam. It was rather late in the Vietnam war before the media turned to John Kerry's psycho-babykillers narrative.

31 posted on 01/19/2008 8:55:17 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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National Journal’s lengthy and precise coverage of critiques of the “study”:

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/databomb/index.htm


32 posted on 01/19/2008 9:17:43 AM PST by angkor ("We are not very many mistakes away from a second Holocaust." Newt Gingrich, Nov 15 2007)
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ping!


33 posted on 01/20/2008 9:16:52 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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In 2008, the editors of the Times, our college professors and Hollywood celebrities, are horrified by a fiction. Faced with a historically low cost of war, they retreat into fantasy. Who's really suffering from mental trauma? Who needs the psychotherapy here?

The answer is clear but the problem seems to be systemic.

34 posted on 01/20/2008 9:24:07 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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