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Fred update: He’s staying if he finishes third in SC; Update: Fred third in SC
Hot Air ^ | January 19, 2008 | Allahpundit

Posted on 01/19/2008 2:59:21 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts

Watch as the goalposts move before your very eyes, with less contested southern states like Georgia and Tennessee now the benchmark for voter enthusiasm.

Third in SC is very much a possibility, of course — but early indications from Carl Cameron are not good.

Politico says he sounds wistful on the trail today while the NYT seizes one last opportunity to snark. “Amen! Tell the truth, Fred! Amen!”

Update: Victory in defeat:

Over the past month, Huckabee first surged in polls of South Carolina Republicans, from fifth place to, for a time, a solid first place. Over the past two weeks, however, he has fallen behind McCain, largely for two reasons: McCain got a major boost from his January 8 New Hampshire win, and the struggling campaign of Fred Thompson made a last ditch effort to get on track here. While well behind and tied for third place with Romney, Thompson did make gains, and the data suggest that virtually every point Thompson picked up came out of Huckabee’s hide.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: fred; fredthompson; huckabee; sc2008; southcarolina; thompson
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1 posted on 01/19/2008 2:59:27 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: CaspersGh0sts

The Huckaboom continues.... *sigh*


2 posted on 01/19/2008 3:00:29 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: CaspersGh0sts

I hope he’s 4th and out so we can quit wasting time on him and deal with actual contenders.


3 posted on 01/19/2008 3:01:47 PM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there and try to stay out of trouble.)
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To: Huck

FOX has been MCLAME all day... wait till ALL the votes are counted, FRED will win.


4 posted on 01/19/2008 3:03:17 PM PST by VastRWCon (Fred/Hunter 2008)
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To: VastRWCon

Forget to mention MCLAME will never get my vote EVER!


5 posted on 01/19/2008 3:04:11 PM PST by VastRWCon (Fred/Hunter 2008)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Great move by Huckleberry to get on the SC flag issue. Too bad he might actually win the nomination now though.


6 posted on 01/19/2008 3:04:17 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
I just got “polled” I told her I was voting for Fred Thompson before she could get the rest of the names out.
7 posted on 01/19/2008 3:04:53 PM PST by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: CaspersGh0sts
Hey Newbie... Way to go in attempting to suppress the vote for the conservative. Even if you believe the exit polling data, which has certainly been way off before, Fred is very close to Romney for a 3rd.

The early release of this exit poll is designed to demoralize Fred supporters and convince those who have not yet voted that it’s a lost cause.

Don’t fall for it, SC. If you have not yet voted, cast your vote.

8 posted on 01/19/2008 3:05:54 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
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To: Huck

As in who sparky?


9 posted on 01/19/2008 3:05:58 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: CaspersGh0sts

That says among “conversatives”. Are there composite numbers?

And why are all these “conservatives” for the most liberal two candidates?


10 posted on 01/19/2008 3:06:25 PM PST by I Hired Craig Livingstone
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To: CaspersGh0sts

HuckaDoomed


11 posted on 01/19/2008 3:06:38 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (No RINO's -VOTE FRED ... Thank you :))
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Are those numbers for Republican primary voters or only for a conservative segment? I seems to be only among those who described themselves ‘conservatives’, right?


12 posted on 01/19/2008 3:06:38 PM PST by paudio (Rose: I loath and despise money! Father: You also spend it!)
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To: VastRWCon

First it was, wait till Fred really works the crowd in Iowa the last two weeks, then it was hes not in NH because northerners dont like him and their too RINO like. Then it was wait till hes in SC and see how the real conservatives down there will warm up to him. Now its, even a third place will keep him alive.
Poorly run campaign, entered too late, little spark or enthusiam, too bad but “hes dead Jim”.


13 posted on 01/19/2008 3:06:56 PM PST by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: Huck

Fred is about 10 years too old and not perky enough to successfully run for Pres. in this plastic, shallow, media-frenzied society of ours. Otherwise he would be a great conservative president IMHO.


14 posted on 01/19/2008 3:07:01 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: VastRWCon

This is following the Iowa scenario for Fred. Optimism here early on that he would get a solid third with some hoping for second. Same thing in SC. The news has been trending negative all day. I’m afraid Fred Heads will be disappointed tonight. That includes me. I’ll be happy to eat crow if he gets third or better.


15 posted on 01/19/2008 3:07:08 PM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: traderrob6

Romney, McCain, and Huckabee.


16 posted on 01/19/2008 3:07:24 PM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there and try to stay out of trouble.)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

It is interesting that Romney is third after spending the most time and money in North Carolina.


17 posted on 01/19/2008 3:07:50 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: VastRWCon
Forget to mention MCLAME will never get my vote EVER!

As much as I'd have to hold my nose, I'd consider voting for him just to keep the Clintons out of the White House.

18 posted on 01/19/2008 3:07:59 PM PST by CASchack
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To: pissant

Sing along with Huck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO_4XEAf61E&feature=related


19 posted on 01/19/2008 3:08:35 PM PST by barryg
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To: pissant
Great move by Huckleberry to get on the SC flag issue.

If a stupid flag is what made the difference, then my opinion of SC voters can't get any lower.

20 posted on 01/19/2008 3:08:45 PM PST by curiosity
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Look I like Fred, but it’s just not going to happen. All these Fred people need to get real...who is going to beat Hillary and not totally sell conservatism out? He’s not perfect but Romney is the best bet...


21 posted on 01/19/2008 3:08:45 PM PST by rman04554
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To: CaspersGh0sts; Jim Robinson

Another dummy/lib/RINO troll signup.

I swear, Jim should charge a “Troll” deposit/clean up fee on n00bs.


22 posted on 01/19/2008 3:10:38 PM PST by papasmurf (I'm voting for FRed, even if I have to write him in.)
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To: curiosity
If a stupid flag is what made the difference, then my opinion of SC voters can't get any lower.

It should be a non issue except for the people of S.C.

23 posted on 01/19/2008 3:10:53 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: barryg

Huck is not my guy. Then again, neither is Fred, Mitt or McQueeg. So it was all a big purse fight to me in SC.


24 posted on 01/19/2008 3:11:23 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

If this holds true, combined with the results of the other states, it’s apparent to me that the republican party is no longer a conservative party. At least when it comes to smaller government and federalism.


25 posted on 01/19/2008 3:11:48 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Graybeard58

Except McCain wants to tell them to get rid of it.


26 posted on 01/19/2008 3:12:07 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
“The Huckaboom continues.... *sigh*”

Dopey Humanists that think they’re Christians.

Sad.

27 posted on 01/19/2008 3:12:37 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: rman04554

Glad you think so good luck to ya.


28 posted on 01/19/2008 3:12:45 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: VastRWCon

Fred will win? When was the last time exit polls were off by 20 points?? Really now. Get a dose of reality. He’s done


29 posted on 01/19/2008 3:13:42 PM PST by NYC Republican (Romney-the ONLY one to stop Huck, McCain, and Hillary!)
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To: pissant

Just think how “used” and stupid those flag voters will feel, once they see that he can’t do a thing about a State’s flag.


30 posted on 01/19/2008 3:13:56 PM PST by papasmurf (I'm voting for FRed, even if I have to write him in.)
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To: Huck

I hope Huck beats the crap out of McCain!!!!!! LOL


31 posted on 01/19/2008 3:14:30 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: DeusExMachina05

I agree. Enough already. You STILL have folks waiting for a Hunter comeback. Incredible


32 posted on 01/19/2008 3:15:09 PM PST by NYC Republican (Romney-the ONLY one to stop Huck, McCain, and Hillary!)
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To: papasmurf

No, they just don’t like folks telling them they should get rid of it, regardless if they have the power to do so.


33 posted on 01/19/2008 3:15:56 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: imahawk

Waaahh..if Fred doesn’t win I’m taking my toys and going home....


34 posted on 01/19/2008 3:16:08 PM PST by rman04554
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To: pissant
Except McCain wants to tell them to get rid of it.

That's probably the smallest thing I have against him.

35 posted on 01/19/2008 3:16:14 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: DeusExMachina05
“hes dead Jim”.

Where did I put that fork?

36 posted on 01/19/2008 3:16:35 PM PST by joebuck
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To: NYC Republican

Fred will still be “surging” around here for the next few days. My advice is to play along until reality sinks in. Probably late next week, the first “Fred was just an entertainer” threads will trickle in. :o)


37 posted on 01/19/2008 3:16:43 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: rman04554

You too?


38 posted on 01/19/2008 3:17:01 PM PST by rintense (Thompson / Hunter 2008!)
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To: papasmurf

“Another dummy/lib/RINO troll signup. I swear, Jim should charge a “Troll” deposit/clean up fee on n00bs.”

Exactly what about *sigh* are you not getting?

It might actually be of benefit for you to freaking read my posts. I’m not exactly happy about this.

I encourage Fredheads not to give up on their man and that message still rings true. That aside, these are the first numbers I’ve seen posted here.


39 posted on 01/19/2008 3:17:04 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Huck

I concur.


40 posted on 01/19/2008 3:17:16 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Wow, exit polls.
100% accuracy rating....why bother voting, let’s just do exit polls.


41 posted on 01/19/2008 3:17:23 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

I still cannot understand this Huckabee phenomenon.


42 posted on 01/19/2008 3:17:44 PM PST by RockinRight ("Mike Huckabee appeals to the type of person who thinks pro-wrestling is real." - TQC)
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To: papasmurf
"Just think how “used” and stupid those flag voters will feel, once they see that he can’t do a thing about a State’s flag."

Wasn't that exactly the point he was making?

43 posted on 01/19/2008 3:17:53 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Graybeard58

I won’t ever support the manchurian candidate.


44 posted on 01/19/2008 3:18:09 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: tflabo

He also doesn’t want the job, has no executive experience to speak of, and ran a lousy campaign.


45 posted on 01/19/2008 3:19:06 PM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there and try to stay out of trouble.)
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To: pissant

Duncan Hunter did do better in Nevada than he’s done in any state save Wyoming thus far...

The West knows best, it would appear.


46 posted on 01/19/2008 3:19:08 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: rman04554

Hillary will beat Romney like a drum.

He cannot even deliver his own state.
If it’s Romney for us, then its Hillary as the next president.


47 posted on 01/19/2008 3:19:12 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: DeusExMachina05
First it was, wait till Fred really works the crowd in Iowa the last two weeks, then it was hes not in NH because northerners dont like him and their too RINO like. Then it was wait till hes in SC and see how the real conservatives down there will warm up to him. Now its, even a third place will keep him alive.

Fred will dominate the Thompson household caucus and that will provide the bounce he needs to send him to the nomination.

48 posted on 01/19/2008 3:19:29 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: NYC Republican
"When was the last time exit polls were off by 20 points??"

November of 2004? I doubt it's the case this time though...

49 posted on 01/19/2008 3:20:02 PM PST by KoRn
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To: saganite
Yes, I will be disappointed.
It appears that republicans are either voting for big government Christian republican or liberal republican or its my turn republican....and forsaking the only real conservative for above mentioned.
50 posted on 01/19/2008 3:20:36 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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