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How Long Does the USA have?
Recieved via Email | Alexander Tyler - 1787 Scotland; Prof. Joseph Olson - Hemline Univ. School of Law, St. Paul, MN

Posted on 01/19/2008 5:58:50 PM PST by ImpBill

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To: ImpBill

A Republic offers equality of opportunity.
A Socialist offers equality of outcome.

It’s easy to see where our country’s road started and where it is now.


121 posted on 01/20/2008 8:21:01 AM PST by Hattie
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To: Bear_Slayer

My point was that the premise of the purported author is incorrect.

Most of the great civilizations of world history never had periods of anything vaguely resembling freedom or democracy. In fact, of all the ancient civilizations, there are only really two that did. Those were Greece (in its many city-states) and the Roman Republic. Since both were slave-based and quite restrictive on who was a citizen, even their “freedom” was largely illusory by modern standards.

That the supposed author thinks these two outliers make up a survey of world civilizations tells us little about world history, but much about his parochial vision.

Meanwhile, in the real world, civilizations that were never democratic or “free” plugged along for thousands of years.


122 posted on 01/20/2008 8:46:43 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Smokin' Joe
Eliminating most Catholics may not be appropriate, at least in that colony

Maryland was started as a colony with relative Freedom of Religion, by its Catholic proprietors under Royal Authority, but the majority soon become Anglican, anddisenfranchized the Catholics.

123 posted on 01/20/2008 8:56:32 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Meanwhile, in the real world, civilizations that were never democratic or “free” plugged along for thousands of years.

I think I understand your point. My response was/is that it really doesn't matter if a civilization plugs along for 1000s of years, if they are not free.

So what if the US plugs along for the next 1000 years. I'm not content with what it it is and fearful of what it will become.

124 posted on 01/20/2008 9:14:34 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I am aware of the Protestant Reformation of the 1730s, when a Jesuit priest sold himself to one of my ancestors and became property of the manor lord, untouchable under English Common Law. Perhaps those of lesser standing were disenfranchised, but not those who were landed by grant. Thus the disenfranchisement was not as complete as one might assume.


125 posted on 01/20/2008 9:41:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ImpBill

You are welcome. The crux of your original post is accurate, IMHO.


126 posted on 01/20/2008 9:46:28 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: ImpBill; bcsco; ProfessorGage
" . . . back to square one . . . "

Then I guess the ball's in our court.

127 posted on 01/20/2008 10:09:22 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: wastedyears

WY, I figure after two years, the mask will be off.

Her plan for change will not be what anyone expected, and the changes will be so radical(we have a tutorial in how she managed the Healthcare Initiative Task Force in ‘93-’94)
that people will be forced to take a stand to oppose her.

I see Hillary as the 21st Century American Hitler. Just as Hitler demonized groups to manipulate the German masses, so will Hillary. She has no view of an America bound by the Constitution. Bill two terms gave us a foreshadowing of how government agencies will be used as weapons against Americans, but she will do it on a broader scale.

She has telegraphed all of this through her speeches.

She is an evil person. Remember the tear she shed in NH? It wasn’t for some homeless or jobless person, or an amputee just home from Iraq.

IT WAS FOR HERSELF!

She spouts change, but has brought on all of the old Clintonoids from 1992 back into her campaign.

So, I figure two years in, there will be a new Lexington or Concord somewhere.

We have been almost immune from this since we were founded, but then, we have never had anyone so power crazed and evil as Her Heinous wanting to be President.


128 posted on 01/20/2008 12:39:34 PM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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