How Long Does the USA have?

Recieved via Email | Alexander Tyler - 1787 Scotland; Prof. Joseph Olson - Hemline Univ. School of Law, St. Paul, MN

[ImpBill]

HOW LONG DOES THE USA HAVE?

This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming. I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting and concerning to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.

How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage'

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29

Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.

Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

[ImpBill]

Some interesting thoughts and facts.

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[ImpBill]

I did find this an interesting read, received this evening from a like minded conservative neighbor.

Perhaps you might have some thoughts and know of others who might as well.

[Congressman Billybob]

This Tyler stuff is a fraud. There is no source for the preliminary comments in this article. Sounds good, might be correct, has no source.

Congressman Billybob

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[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

“About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier”

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

Urban myth.

As are the stats.

[denydenydeny]

Interesting thoughts (which I agree with) but it’s a total hoax. There is no such person as “Alexander Tyler.”

[mek1959]

Ping

[sasportas]

ping

[july4thfreedomfoundation]

Thank God for the Second Amendment, and our wise Founding Fathers who intended the right to keep and bear arms as a means of giving the people a way to fight a tyrannical government.

[wintertime]

then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

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This is why we have the Second Amendment.

[vbmoneyspender]

The Athenian ‘Republic’?

[mad puppy]

How long?

Given our current rate of sending huge wealth to countries that want to kill us...given our unwillingness to defend our own borders....given that our economy is about to suffer (again) due primarily to greed...give the rate of jobs being sent overseas....and given that the US may very well elect a Liberal (either an R or a D)....my answer is:

not long.

[BenLurkin]

It’s pretty much over now. When the Senate failed to remove a perjurer from the White House it became clear that our political system is not much more than a sham.

[ImpBill]

Only posted an email I received. Had never heard of the Scottish Professor before.

I will do some research, as I, once again "believe", Benjamin Franklin said words to the same effect at the signing of either the Declaration of Independence or Constitution.

[ProfessorGage]

“Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy that did not commit suicide.”
John Adams

[WorkingClassFilth]

Essentially true. We are on borrowed time. Principle does matter, and if Principle is honored in this election, we will lose. Still, it is better to do the righteous thing and go down with honor than to serve expediency and live in a reduced state.

[ImpBill]

Dealt with that apparent fact in response to Congressman Billy Bob! Thanks for also pointing it out.

You will note that the source was an email.

Regardless of the Tyler source quoted, do you have any thoughts on the comments contained in the received email, regardless of source facts?

[muir_redwoods]

I had to go to the local mall today. I easily saw a few thousand people. I saw very few that seemed to me to be the sort that could have founded this country. I saw consumers, not producers, to my eyes anyway.

I despair for my country. We are doomed because we have become lazy, soft and fat and most of us are only interested in the candidate who will open the tap the widest so we can get the most from the public till. It's hard to look at the crowds of slack-jawed shoppers and see a revolutionary people capable of founding a republic.

Sermon over

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

If Fred doesn’t win in the end....we have a lot less time than we would otherwise.

[ImpBill]

Glad to see some posting about the content of the narrative, regardless of the factuality of the sources. Thank You.