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FairTax cut for 2-parent families
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | January 19, 2008 | Howard and Raymond Richman

Posted on 01/20/2008 6:29:07 AM PST by Man50D

During an election season, one of the first losers is the truth. The current misinformation campaign against the FairTax has been particularly virulent. Last month the FairTax was being panned by some columnists as a "crackpot scheme," even though it could be collected exactly the same way as its close cousin, the value-added tax, which is the most successful tax in the world. This month the FairTax is being vilified by various columnists as a tax increase for the middle class, even though it would provide a substantial tax cut for two-parent middle class families. Specifically, in a recent column, George Will asked, "Do you want a president (Mike Huckabee, proponent of a national sales tax of at least 30 percent) pledged to radically increase the proportion of federal taxes paid by the middle class?" Similarly, Time magazine's business and economics columnist Justin Fox wrote a blog piece entitled, "The FairTax and its big break for the $200,000-plus crowd."

The FairTax is a national sales tax that would replace the income taxes, the payroll taxes, and the gift and inheritance taxes. It would be a 30 percent sales tax on retail purchases. Since 30 cents is 23 percent of $1.30 (the amount you would pay on a $1 item), a 30 percent FairTax would cost you about 23 percent of your consumption. To help you pay the tax, you would get a prebate check or a debit card credit at the beginning of each month equivalent to the amount you would pay when buying necessities. In 2007, that amount would have been based upon $10,210 spending per adult and $3,480 spending per child.

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To: scfirewall

Maybe because you’re so used to an income tax that anything else takes too much effort to understand.


281 posted on 01/21/2008 10:41:25 AM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: dan1123

I’m taking a survey. What is you spending planning horizon - you answer should be in units of time.


282 posted on 01/21/2008 10:49:29 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Paladin2

you —> your


283 posted on 01/21/2008 10:50:30 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Nextrush

The most Socialist tax is the Income tax, whether it is “graduated” or not. Socialism is about redistribution of wealth and the government grabbing it in at the point of income is the most socialist way of doing things.

Any consumption tax would be better than any income tax. First, it could be argued that it is a regulation of trade. Second, it is a taxation of a business rather than an individual. Third, it is taxation of money after it has been earned and saved rather than before.

The least socialist, most conservative tax though, would not be a “flat” income tax, but a straight government use fee. An annual fee would be paid for every citizen and legal resident of voting age or above. And usage fees would be applied to federal facilities. No separation by income either through percentage or steps. No payment by consumption of non-government goods. Also, people would look at the government differently: as a service to be paid for by the populace, with everyone contributing an equal payment and the impression of an equal interest in government. If privately one wished to pay for another’s government service fee, then such an arrangement could be made separately from government interference and force of law.


284 posted on 01/21/2008 10:58:20 AM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: Paladin2
I’m taking a survey. What is you spending planning horizon - you answer should be in units of time.

3 months... why?
285 posted on 01/21/2008 11:01:27 AM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: dan1123
I'm trying to determine if supporters of the FT have a shorter planning horizon than those who don't.

I have a general spending plan that extends for an optimistic 40 years. More detail for the next 5 years than beyond. Monthly cash flow plan for ~ 1 year out.

286 posted on 01/21/2008 11:11:51 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: dan1123

One poster indicated that there was no need to consider future spending beyond a week. Just got me to thinking.


287 posted on 01/21/2008 11:14:43 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Paladin2

It depends on when major recurring expenses happen. I have quarterly car insurance payments, so 3 months is necessary to take that into account. I don’t understand how someone could get by without planning out longer than a week. I could only do that when I was single and living on less than a third of my paycheck.


288 posted on 01/21/2008 11:19:10 AM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: Mojave
And they correctly identified that as the “baby boom” generation retires, they would be taxed again (heavily) on all the after tax funds, and liquid assets acquired after tax, prior to retirement.

So, if you plan to liquidate those assets, and live well in retirement, grease up well and meet Mr “Ben Dova” the FairTax Chairman.

End of story.

289 posted on 01/21/2008 11:51:14 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: lewislynn

The FED sets monetary policy, not fiscal/tax policy. Perhaps you don’t understand the difference.


290 posted on 01/21/2008 12:53:35 PM PST by DivaDelMar
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To: DivaDelMar
The FED sets monetary policy, not fiscal/tax policy. Perhaps you don’t understand the difference.
I thought the Fairtax would lower interest rates 25%...How, without the FED.

Besides every Fairtax economist tries to predict what the FED would do if the Fairtax was passed. They're all inter-related, you just don't understand how.

BTW, what about the transition for 50 states to start administering an unknown tax plan? What did you think they'll do, just turn their shirts inside-out and change their hats and badges?

291 posted on 01/21/2008 1:11:11 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movemractent have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lewislynn

My bad. You are right.

So someone at the lowest end of the economic scale may derive a small benefit more than they paid, especially if they are frugal and don’t buy anything new at retail?

And the rest of us can see the income tax and IRS go bye-bye?

I can live with that.


292 posted on 01/21/2008 1:17:16 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Agreeing with Democrats = agreeing with Al Queada)
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To: Mojave

Then isn’t an annual tax refund just an annual stipend per your view?

And you’ve still refused to descibe the type and number of people who might actually ‘get over’ on the system.

Since a single person gets under $200 to offset the sales tax on essentials, I don’t see anyone really making out big on this.

IMO it can’t be any worse than what we have now but the FT is far less intrusive on the population.


293 posted on 01/21/2008 1:22:00 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Agreeing with Democrats = agreeing with Al Queada)
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To: Eagle Eye

Think of all the “good things” you have ever been ‘promised’ by the government...

Now, tell me how many of those things ever turned out as they planned...

Thought so.


294 posted on 01/21/2008 2:19:06 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Paladin2
The answer to her question is YES, just as it is for YOU and everybody else in the country.

Then why didn't you say that to begin with instead of resorting to calling people idiots and their questions "stupid".

I stopped beating my wife when she walked out of the computer room just now Why, have you stopped beating yours?

295 posted on 01/21/2008 2:29:31 PM PST by groanup (IRS. It's what we live for.)
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To: groanup
"Then why didn't you say that to begin with"

It's an invasion of privacy and inappropriate.

"instead of resorting to calling people idiots and their questions "stupid".

That's funny coming from one of the centers of personal invective here.

296 posted on 01/21/2008 2:35:55 PM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Paladin2
That's funny coming from one of the centers of personal invective here.

You'll note that I have never started the invective. The anti's are always the first to foment the ill will. But when we give it back, suddenly we are the guilty party. You hand lickers are very good at turning the tables.

But nobody's buying what you're selling anymore. We're too busy trying to avoid stepping in it.

297 posted on 01/21/2008 2:47:27 PM PST by groanup (IRS. It's what we live for.)
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To: lewislynn
I thought the Fairtax would lower interest rates 25%...How, without the FED.

The last time the Fed started a series of rate INCREASES intermediate and long term rates DECREASED. It's called the market setting rates.

Besides every Fairtax economist tries to predict what the FED would do if the Fairtax was passed. They're all inter-related, you just don't understand how.

Please list "every Fairtax economist" and his or her prediction on the Fed after HR 25.

298 posted on 01/21/2008 2:53:56 PM PST by groanup (IRS. It's what we live for.)
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To: xcamel

Not sure I understand your point or if you have one and I certainly can’t read your mind...if you have one.

Regarding the Fair Tax, government certainly isn’t promising me anything since the current government opposes the FT.

Even criminals have the right to remain silent.

Why don’t law abiding citizens?


299 posted on 01/21/2008 3:08:27 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Agreeing with Democrats = agreeing with Al Queada)
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To: Eagle Eye
Then isn’t an annual tax refund just an annual stipend

I wasn't aware that there was an annual guaranteed fixed refund, much less one that was paid regardless of how much or little the recipient had paid in taxes. Please send me details!

300 posted on 01/21/2008 3:13:10 PM PST by Mojave
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