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Giuliani trailing on home ground: (WNBC/Marist - NY) poll
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 1/21/08 | Reuters

Posted on 01/21/2008 11:16:43 AM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani is trailing in the race for the Republican presidential nomination even on his home turf of New York state, a new poll showed on Monday.

The WNBC/Marist poll ahead of the February 5 primaries in New York showed 34 percent of registered Republicans support John McCain, compared to 23 percent for Giuliani. Among Republicans likely to vote, McCain kept his 34 percent support, while Giuliani was tied in second place with Mitt Romney at 19 percent.

McCain's campaign has been boosted by wins in New Hampshire and South Carolina in the state-by-state race to pick the two candidates to contest the November 4 election to succeed President George W. Bush.

Giuliani, whose once large lead in national polls has evaporated, largely bypassed early voting states and focused on Florida, which votes on January 29.

As the former New York mayor who won national recognition in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, Giuliani would hope for a strong showing in New York.

But the poll showed 46 percent of registered Republicans in New York think Arizona Sen. McCain is the Republican most likely to beat the Democratic candidate in November. Nineteen percent saw former Massachusetts Gov. Romney as the most electable and 15 percent picked Giuliani as most electable.

Another local politician, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, appeared to be in a strong position ahead of the New York primary for the Democratic Party nomination.

The poll showed her with the support of 48 percent of Democrats likely to vote in the primary, followed by Illinois Sen. Barack Obama with 32 percent.

The survey of 1,467 New York state registered voters was conducted January 15-17, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent, the poll said.

Neither party has established a clear front-runner, as the first major state-by-state battles produced multiple winners.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; autocrat; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; gungrabber; homeground; newyork; poll; rinorudy; rudy; sickofrudy; trailing
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ouch!
1 posted on 01/21/2008 11:16:44 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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and McCain leads..

double ouch!


2 posted on 01/21/2008 11:17:47 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

This actually might be good news for Rudy because it means that he’s not as much of a RINO as McInsane.


3 posted on 01/21/2008 11:17:50 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Rudy is a loser.


4 posted on 01/21/2008 11:17:53 AM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: NormsRevenge

When is Fox going to have a poll asking if he should drop out?


5 posted on 01/21/2008 11:19:45 AM PST by murron
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To: Dahoser

I doubt Rudy wants to be AG in a McCain administration

He can make a lot more money on his own anyway ... and has..

Go enjoy it, Rudy, nothing like a young wife and fast car or sumthin’ like that


6 posted on 01/21/2008 11:21:07 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
The only Noo Yawk support he had was from those wanting him the hell out of the state .
7 posted on 01/21/2008 11:21:47 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: tear gas

Do you get paid for your posts ?


8 posted on 01/21/2008 11:21:48 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: NormsRevenge
Go enjoy it, Rudy, nothing like a young wife and fast car or sumthin’ like that

Don't leave out Bernie, the love of his life.

9 posted on 01/21/2008 11:22:31 AM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: NormsRevenge
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani is trailing in the race for the Republican presidential nomination even on his home turf of New York state, a new poll showed on Monday.





Rooty Tooty is...

10 posted on 01/21/2008 11:24:09 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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Republican presidential candidate and former New York
City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) and his wife Judith smile
during a campaign stop in Coral Springs, Florida
January 19, 2008. (Carlos Barria/Reuters)


11 posted on 01/21/2008 11:24:14 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
Go enjoy it, Rudy, nothing like a young wife and fast car or sumthin’ like that

Heck once he's back in the private sector he can trade Judith for a younger model.

12 posted on 01/21/2008 11:25:35 AM PST by NeoCaveman (El Rushbo head of the El Conservativo tribe)
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To: Irish Eyes
Irish Eyes, you still sound like a Rudy lover.

What do you see in him, anyway?

13 posted on 01/21/2008 11:25:35 AM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: tioga; xsmommy; TitansAFC

Rudy ping.


14 posted on 01/21/2008 11:26:23 AM PST by NeoCaveman (El Rushbo head of the El Conservativo tribe)
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To: Liz

Have you seen this?


15 posted on 01/21/2008 11:26:48 AM PST by NeoCaveman (El Rushbo head of the El Conservativo tribe)
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To: NeoCaveman

Heck once he’s back in the private sector he can trade Judith for a younger model.

It worked for Trump, huh? lol

Heck and Ivana had a few good miles left and still does I reckun..


16 posted on 01/21/2008 11:29:53 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Dahoser
This actually might be good news for Rudy because it means that he’s not as much of a RINO as McInsane.

He isn't. I'm willing to cut Rudy a little slack because he governed a hopelessly liberal constituency. Ditto for Mitt.

McCain and Huckabee have no such excuse because they represented conservative constituencies and delighted in tinkling on them.

Rudy might actually make a decent AG because he knows exactly what games liberal judges play and how to counter them.

17 posted on 01/21/2008 11:30:13 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wow...I knew it was bad, but NY? This surprises me.


18 posted on 01/21/2008 11:31:20 AM PST by americanophile
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To: NormsRevenge
'HE AIN'T HEAVY, HE'S MY PARTNER'


19 posted on 01/21/2008 11:31:29 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Vigilanteman
"He isn't. I'm willing to cut Rudy a little slack because he governed a hopelessly liberal constituency. Ditto for Mitt."

You're absolutely correct here.

20 posted on 01/21/2008 11:32:56 AM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Look, for those of you who weren’t in NYC in the early 70’s, comparing NYC between then and now is like night and day. Rudy did a great job of cleaning a horrible mess up. It is unfortunate that all of the scumbags have moved upstate and are living on Mather and North Street!!!


21 posted on 01/21/2008 11:39:54 AM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: Shady

I agree, I remember how horrible places like Times Square was. Whatever you dislike about the man, Rudy definately got results in office.


22 posted on 01/21/2008 11:42:03 AM PST by americanophile
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To: NormsRevenge

Rudy is toast. Huckabee will be toast on or before Super Tuesday. Romney’s less-questionable conservatism, greater money and organization, and superior debating skills should result in his defeating McCain (nationally, and in any primary where only registered Republicans can vote.)


23 posted on 01/21/2008 11:43:42 AM PST by sourcery (Electile Disfunction: The inability to get excited about any of the available candidates)
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To: Irish Eyes

He’s right, Rudy is a loser, at least in this election process.


24 posted on 01/21/2008 11:45:46 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: NormsRevenge
Remove all sharp objects from the rudybots. More bad news from RCP Average. And from the latest Keystone Poll, Penn doesn't look good either...

There goes the, 'but Rudy will put the Blue States in play' canard.

So, will Rudy be the next to drop out? It looks like Feb 5th will be a bloodbath for him - and he hates being embarrassed (real reason he booked from NY senate race). I think yes, plus he's broke.

Ta-ta Rooty. We hardly knew ye.
(Actually that's the problem, we know all about you)

25 posted on 01/21/2008 11:47:09 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: NormsRevenge; NeoCaveman

This shows what New Yorkers think of their “9-11 Hero”.

With McCain and Giuliani splitting the RINO vote, Romney could take the nomination on Feb 5th.


26 posted on 01/21/2008 11:47:12 AM PST by Kuksool (Giuliani avoided the early primaries in the same manner that he avoided Vietnam service)
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To: NormsRevenge

“and McCain leads...double ouch!”

This is exactly why the stake needs to be driven through McCain in Florida. His national front-runner status needs to be put to rest.

I think Mitt could pull off a win in Florida. And then a win in Maine (a closed Caucus—not to McCain’s advantage) on February 1 that could very well push him over the top. But things have to fall together.


27 posted on 01/21/2008 11:57:08 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: americanophile
"Wow...I knew it was bad, but NY?"

There was something several weeks ago on here that said the NY pols were having 2nd thoughts and abandoning support for Rudy, so this is hardly a surprise.

My only problem is figuring out who I dislike more: Rudy or McCain. Will NEVER under any conditions, including another President Clinton, vote for either of them.

28 posted on 01/21/2008 11:57:30 AM PST by penowa
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To: CaspersGh0sts

If Mitt is your man, then keeping McCain in the race is to your advantage. Rudy and McCain draw from the same well. Back in 2007, Rudy was hoping for a divided conservative field to win. With McCain rising and conservatives beginning to rally around Mitt, Romney could win FL and California.


29 posted on 01/21/2008 12:01:28 PM PST by Kuksool (Giuliani avoided the early primaries in the same manner that he avoided Vietnam service)
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To: Kuksool
With McCain and Giuliani splitting the RINO vote, Romney could take the nomination on Feb 5th.

That's a shame, I wanted my vote to matter on March 4th....

Oh well if it kills the RudyMcCain moster sooner, so be it.

30 posted on 01/21/2008 12:03:13 PM PST by NeoCaveman (El Rushbo head of the El Conservativo tribe)
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To: penowa

Don’t bother...just vote Romney.


31 posted on 01/21/2008 12:03:29 PM PST by americanophile
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To: sourcery
Rudy is toast.

Only if Rudy loses Florida. If he wins Florida by any margin, Rudy becomes the story for a while and obtains some momentum to turn some of those poll numbers around. For the last month, the only Giuliani stories you have heard have been about his poor performances (in states where he didn't campaign seriously). Giuliani's wait-until-Florida strategy had one big flaw: he didn't expect the lack of news coverage to render him irrelevant. If Giuliani wins Florida, he becomes a factor and will remain so through the convention.

32 posted on 01/21/2008 12:13:12 PM PST by CommerceComet (Mitt Romney: boldly saying whatever the audience wants to hear.)
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To: CommerceComet

That’s all irrelevant, since he won’t win Florida.


33 posted on 01/21/2008 12:18:22 PM PST by sourcery (Electile Disfunction: The inability to get excited about any of the available candidates)
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To: Vigilanteman

While I am hoping for a conservative (Fred or Mitt), Rudy has at least accomplished things McCain could only dream of.

If anyone ever spent time in NYC during the General Dinkens era and then after Rudy had been mayor for a while, you know the difference. Gotta give Rudy a lot of credit for making a then hopeless city cleaner, safer and worth spending time in.


34 posted on 01/21/2008 12:27:16 PM PST by rod1 (uestion)
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To: sourcery
That’s all irrelevant, since he won’t win Florida.

Possibly. However, if Fred isn't going to win the nomination (and my head knows it but my heart isn't giving up yet), I'm hoping for a brokered convention where we can wipe the slate clean of these RINOs and start over. Giuliani holding a block of delegates would be helpful to getting a brokered convention.

35 posted on 01/21/2008 12:29:22 PM PST by CommerceComet (Mitt Romney: boldly saying whatever the audience wants to hear.)
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To: murron

Cameron twice this morning from florida did not mention romney. i watched a while ago, he said something about romney being a toss up with huck for something as an after thought. geez. I am now cured of FNC and my tv will be turned on for movies only.


36 posted on 01/21/2008 12:30:28 PM PST by libbylu (Why vote for a democrat with an R next to his name? Proud MITTen.)
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To: murron

“When is Fox going to have a poll asking if he should drop out?”

If he loses Florida, or wins Florida but loses on Super Tuesday. If he loses Florida - they won’t have to ask. Minus that momentum, he can’t win anything. And I might have to throw a party. For real. I just won’t tell anyone why I’m having it.


37 posted on 01/21/2008 12:32:49 PM PST by COgamer
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To: Irish Eyes
They pay themselves with their self-righteous attitude; yet, hatred looms in their hearts. Hatred is blinding as we witness the chosen candidate in the lead who Obama or Hillary can beat on their worst day.

Led to the slaughter by their own self-righteousness. With the zeal to 'clean the house' they forgot to clean the mirrors.
38 posted on 01/21/2008 12:36:09 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: NeoCaveman
Thanks for the ping.

The bad news for Giuliani comes on top of a poll taken several weeks ago showing Bloomberg doing better than Rudy w/ the NY vote.

Giuliani's tanking is due to:

(1) Bernie Kerik's legal problems (Kerik is Rudy's former driver, bodyguard, police Commissioner, business partner, failed Homeland nominee, and admitted felon (in that order),

(2) Rooty's porking his mistress on the public dime, and hiding the theft of public services in obscure city agencies, and,

(3) Rooty's secrecy about his business dealings (a bonanza for global Rudy if Giuliani ever got his hands on the federal budget).

Giuiani is misleading voters---his top staffers are working gratis---so Giuliani wants voters to think he managed to spend all his campaign money without having actually competed in any of the early primary/caucus states.

FREEPER TEAR GAS SAID IT BEST:

The truth is that Rudy spent all his money because he HAS competed in all those states. The number of times Rooty went to New Hampshire to campaign was second only to Romney.

Rudy just CLAIMS he hasn't been competing in all these states because the results have been so dismal. The voters have caught on to Rudy and have rejected him as a candidate.

Although he tries to cast himself as a warrior, he folds, and then cuts and runs each time he feels any competitive pressure. Thus, he chickened out of the Senate race vs. Hillary. More recently, he cut and run in Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, and now South Carolina.

He's the gutless warrior. Rudy is a talker, not a fighter. He has to win Florida or he's a goner.

39 posted on 01/21/2008 12:41:15 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: CommerceComet
Currently, I strongly expect that Romney will win the nomination outright. And if he does not, a brokered convention is likely to end with Romney as the nominee in any case.

A brokered convention would be great, if it resulted in Fred being the nominee. But I don't (yet) see that as a likely future.

40 posted on 01/21/2008 12:43:07 PM PST by sourcery (Electile Disfunction: The inability to get excited about any of the available candidates)
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To: NormsRevenge
It's looking like Giuliani won't even win a single state.

Take lessons from Willard, Rudy, and learn to lie more if you ever decide to run again.

41 posted on 01/21/2008 12:49:13 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: rod1
While I am hoping for a conservative (Fred or Mitt), Rudy has at least accomplished things McCain could only dream of.

If anyone ever spent time in NYC during the General Dinkens era and then after Rudy had been mayor for a while, you know the difference. Gotta give Rudy a lot of credit for making a then hopeless city cleaner, safer and worth spending time in.


You can say that again.
42 posted on 01/21/2008 12:51:08 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: NeoCaveman

to know him, is to NOT love him. i want him pummelled in FL.


43 posted on 01/21/2008 12:52:35 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

I cannot believe McCain is leading Rudy in NY.


44 posted on 01/21/2008 12:53:44 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: sourcery

I think all of our candidates, excluding McCain, have greater curb appeal than She Who Must Be Obeyed. Like-ability, is a factor in an election. (Of course as I write this, I wonder why McCain polls above single digits since the guy is not likaeable IMHO. Perhaps the same thought is going on over on the other side. A lot of Dems must be thinking Obama is more likable, why is Hill stomping all over his lunch).


45 posted on 01/21/2008 12:56:12 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: JaneNC

puts a lie to much of what was said about him here before the rudybot purge doesn’t it? can’t help but wonder what tune is now being sung by those who are no longer here...


46 posted on 01/21/2008 12:59:52 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: NeoCaveman; xsmommy

McCain is leading? While Rudy doesn’t surprise me...McCain? NO, NO, NO..........


47 posted on 01/21/2008 1:16:48 PM PST by tioga
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To: NormsRevenge

Remember, folks...

Most of the Republicans in New York are upstate, not downstate. We never elected Giuliani.


48 posted on 01/21/2008 1:21:55 PM PST by jmyrlefuller
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To: tioga

equally undesirable in my opinion. equally RINO.


49 posted on 01/21/2008 1:24:00 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: tear gas

And a womanizing loser, at that.

He’s the Republican’s Bill Clinton.


50 posted on 01/21/2008 1:24:45 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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