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FL: Two bills would tighten laws on concealed weapons
The Sun-Sentinel (FL) ^ | 1/22/08 | Megan O'Matz

Posted on 01/22/2008 8:55:21 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Two bills have been offered in the state Legislature that would make it harder for people in Florida to get or keep licenses to carry guns.

In the House, a North Miami lawmaker is proposing to increase the time people have to wait before getting concealed weapon licenses if they've pleaded guilty or no contest to felonies but had convictions "withheld."

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; florida
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1 posted on 01/22/2008 8:55:23 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Personally, I don’t mind denying weapons to someone who’s pled guilty to a felony. He should be in jail anyway, and they can’t have guns in jail.


2 posted on 01/22/2008 9:00:02 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
I concur. I am a strong 2d amendment supporter and gun owner. However, I have no problem whatsoever with a back ground check to keep weapons out of convict’s hands, and I have no problem with any law to kept convicted felon’s from legally buying arms. I am also not stupid enough to know that they can get them illegally also.
3 posted on 01/22/2008 9:02:47 AM PST by RetiredArmy (America wants socialism. It wants it all for free. It wants the government to provide all.)
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To: Brilliant

Ditto


4 posted on 01/22/2008 9:03:28 AM PST by mosaicwolf
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To: kiriath_jearim

“I thought it was important to keep guns away from people who are not ready, or who are not able, to handle guns responsibly,” said the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Yolly Roberson, a Democrat.

Responsible gun handling is: Good body position, solid grip, clear sight picture, and breath control...

Seriously, does FL law equate ‘withheld’ to ‘expunged’? Perhaps one of the SHL’s out here can shed some light on this notion in FL law.


5 posted on 01/22/2008 9:05:21 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: RetiredArmy

Start letting felons have state sanctioned CC permits and as soon as one or two felon permit holders murder someone, watch everyone lose their ability to get one. That possibility is my chief concern.


6 posted on 01/22/2008 9:06:35 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Couldn’t have said it better. Many will respond without reading the article though, I’m afraid.


7 posted on 01/22/2008 9:06:58 AM PST by KodakKing (Freedom isn't free. Just ask any soldier. www.anysoldier.com)
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To: Brilliant
Personally, I don’t mind denying weapons to someone who’s pled guilty to a felony. He should be in jail anyway, and they can’t have guns in jail.

I was just noticing a sign in the liquor department of a local grocery store stating that sale of alcohol to a minor is a felony.

Should anyone who sells liquor to a minor be sent to prison for life?

Signing a known-inaccurate income tax return is perjury, and probably a felony.

Should that result in a life-sentence?

8 posted on 01/22/2008 9:07:16 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: PubliusMM

I believe withheld means if they have a probation agreement and pled to a lesser charge, then they avoid the felony charge.

Problem is, they’ll just make what few crimes aren’t felonies a felony to charge up the accused and scare them to plead guilty to avoid a felony.


9 posted on 01/22/2008 9:07:53 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (I think I'll buy everyone a carbon credit for Christmas.)
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To: Brilliant

If a person has a felony and they have “done their time” they should get their rights BACK. Unless the felony includes murder, using a weapon in a violent crime or something like that.

Otherwise, a “felon” is someone who is convicted of a crime.

Once they have attoned for their crimes they should go back to being normal Americans.


10 posted on 01/22/2008 9:11:01 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I believe withheld means if they have a probation agreement and pled to a lesser charge, then they avoid the felony charge.

Typically when a conviction is withheld the Judge does not accept the defendants guilty plea. The defendant is given a stay of adjudication where the plea is not accepted and conditions are set, similar to probation. If a defendant fulfills all of the conditions during the time period set by the Court, the charges are dismissed. There is no conviction on the case and the person is not a "convicted felon". If the defendant violates the conditions, he is brought back into court, his guilty plea is accepted and he is convicted and sentenced.

11 posted on 01/22/2008 9:19:15 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: kiriath_jearim

Bearing arms for self defense is a right, not a privilege. This is just incremental victim disarmament.

If you don’t trust someone to be armed on the street, you’d better keep them in prison because if they intend trouble they will arm themselves whether it’s legal or not.


12 posted on 01/22/2008 9:29:59 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: Rick.Donaldson
If a person has a felony and they have “done their time” they should get their rights BACK. Unless the felony includes murder, using a weapon in a violent crime or something like that.
Otherwise, a “felon” is someone who is convicted of a crime.
Once they have attoned for their crimes they should go back to being normal Americans.

You are wrong on every single count.

There is no such thing as an “ex- felon.”
One who commits a felony is always a felon. Forever.

and the prison time is only part of the sentence.
The other part is being a felon and all that this entails for the rest of your life.

Also settled law by Constitutional amendment and SCOTUS.

There is more than doing time to think about before doing the crime.

13 posted on 01/22/2008 9:30:41 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: CGTRWK

Settled law that civil rights of law abiding citizens can be withheld forever at discretion.


14 posted on 01/22/2008 9:32:21 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Brilliant
Personally, I don’t mind denying weapons to someone who’s pled guilty to a felony

Like that's gonna stop a felon that REALLY wants a gun..........

The libs never will get it....

NEVER.

Molon Labe

15 posted on 01/22/2008 9:32:33 AM PST by Osage Orange ("Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar" - Bob Kerry)
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To: bill1952

>Settled law that civil rights of law abiding citizens

Sorry, that should read non law abiding


16 posted on 01/22/2008 9:33:23 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: DuncanWaring

Some other small crimes specifically mentioned in this article for which you ought to lose your right to self defense were DUI and those subject to domestic restraining orders.

Imagine the cry about suppressing democracy if they were talking about taking voting rights for these offenses instead.


17 posted on 01/22/2008 9:34:55 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: bill1952

It’s also settled law that civil rights of law abiding citizens who just happen to live in the wrong state can be withheld forever too. Doesn’t make it right.


18 posted on 01/22/2008 9:36:31 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: DuncanWaring
Should anyone who sells liquor to a minor be sent to prison for life?

Exactly. They keep ratcheting up what a felony is. Non-payment of child support is a felony.

This article from the Sun-Sentinel was roundly bashed here about a year ago. The article was written in such a way that demonstrated who had CCW and what their criminal history was but NEVER mentioned their quote/unquote criminal history after CCW.

For instance, the article mentions the guy who shot his girlfriend in the head. Assuming I remember this correctly, he claimed he was cleaning his gun, it went off and the bullet struck her, killing her.

I don't believe he was convicted, and maybe even never went to trial. But the Sun-Sentinel doesn't mention this. Only that he killed her and uses this as an example of someone who holds a CCW but yet has a violent history.

Should his CCW be revoked for an accident? The way the Sun-Sentinel article is written I'd say that's a resounding "yes"!

19 posted on 01/22/2008 9:37:22 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I’m not in FL, so maybe someone can answer this who is :

Has there been a problem with a rash of permit-holders committing gun crimes there and is this bill a response to that?


20 posted on 01/22/2008 9:52:44 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (I think I'll buy everyone a carbon credit for Christmas.)
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