Posted on 01/22/2008 8:55:21 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
Two bills have been offered in the state Legislature that would make it harder for people in Florida to get or keep licenses to carry guns.
In the House, a North Miami lawmaker is proposing to increase the time people have to wait before getting concealed weapon licenses if they've pleaded guilty or no contest to felonies but had convictions "withheld."
(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...
Personally, I don’t mind denying weapons to someone who’s pled guilty to a felony. He should be in jail anyway, and they can’t have guns in jail.
Ditto
“I thought it was important to keep guns away from people who are not ready, or who are not able, to handle guns responsibly,” said the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Yolly Roberson, a Democrat.
Responsible gun handling is: Good body position, solid grip, clear sight picture, and breath control...
Seriously, does FL law equate ‘withheld’ to ‘expunged’? Perhaps one of the SHL’s out here can shed some light on this notion in FL law.
Start letting felons have state sanctioned CC permits and as soon as one or two felon permit holders murder someone, watch everyone lose their ability to get one. That possibility is my chief concern.
Couldn’t have said it better. Many will respond without reading the article though, I’m afraid.
I was just noticing a sign in the liquor department of a local grocery store stating that sale of alcohol to a minor is a felony.
Should anyone who sells liquor to a minor be sent to prison for life?
Signing a known-inaccurate income tax return is perjury, and probably a felony.
Should that result in a life-sentence?
I believe withheld means if they have a probation agreement and pled to a lesser charge, then they avoid the felony charge.
Problem is, they’ll just make what few crimes aren’t felonies a felony to charge up the accused and scare them to plead guilty to avoid a felony.
If a person has a felony and they have “done their time” they should get their rights BACK. Unless the felony includes murder, using a weapon in a violent crime or something like that.
Otherwise, a “felon” is someone who is convicted of a crime.
Once they have attoned for their crimes they should go back to being normal Americans.
Typically when a conviction is withheld the Judge does not accept the defendants guilty plea. The defendant is given a stay of adjudication where the plea is not accepted and conditions are set, similar to probation. If a defendant fulfills all of the conditions during the time period set by the Court, the charges are dismissed. There is no conviction on the case and the person is not a "convicted felon". If the defendant violates the conditions, he is brought back into court, his guilty plea is accepted and he is convicted and sentenced.
Bearing arms for self defense is a right, not a privilege. This is just incremental victim disarmament.
If you don’t trust someone to be armed on the street, you’d better keep them in prison because if they intend trouble they will arm themselves whether it’s legal or not.
There is no such thing as an “ex- felon.”
One who commits a felony is always a felon. Forever.
and the prison time is only part of the sentence.
The other part is being a felon and all that this entails for the rest of your life.
Also settled law by Constitutional amendment and SCOTUS.
There is more than doing time to think about before doing the crime.
Settled law that civil rights of law abiding citizens can be withheld forever at discretion.
Like that's gonna stop a felon that REALLY wants a gun..........
The libs never will get it....
NEVER.
Molon Labe
>Settled law that civil rights of law abiding citizens
Sorry, that should read non law abiding
Some other small crimes specifically mentioned in this article for which you ought to lose your right to self defense were DUI and those subject to domestic restraining orders.
Imagine the cry about suppressing democracy if they were talking about taking voting rights for these offenses instead.
It’s also settled law that civil rights of law abiding citizens who just happen to live in the wrong state can be withheld forever too. Doesn’t make it right.
Exactly. They keep ratcheting up what a felony is. Non-payment of child support is a felony.
This article from the Sun-Sentinel was roundly bashed here about a year ago. The article was written in such a way that demonstrated who had CCW and what their criminal history was but NEVER mentioned their quote/unquote criminal history after CCW.
For instance, the article mentions the guy who shot his girlfriend in the head. Assuming I remember this correctly, he claimed he was cleaning his gun, it went off and the bullet struck her, killing her.
I don't believe he was convicted, and maybe even never went to trial. But the Sun-Sentinel doesn't mention this. Only that he killed her and uses this as an example of someone who holds a CCW but yet has a violent history.
Should his CCW be revoked for an accident? The way the Sun-Sentinel article is written I'd say that's a resounding "yes"!
I’m not in FL, so maybe someone can answer this who is :
Has there been a problem with a rash of permit-holders committing gun crimes there and is this bill a response to that?
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