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Cheney wants surveillance law expanded
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/23/08 | Tom Raum - ap

Posted on 01/23/2008 12:03:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney prodded Congress on Wednesday to extend and broaden an expiring surveillance law, saying "fighting the war on terror is a long-term enterprise" that should not come with an expiration date.

"We're reminding Congress that they must act now," Cheney told the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. The law, which authorizes the administration to eavesdrop on e-mails and phone calls to and from suspected terrorists, expires on Feb. 1. Congress is bickering over terms of its extension.

On Tuesday, Senate Republicans blocked an effort by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to extend the stopgap Protect America Act without expanding it, raising stakes for an expected showdown in the Senate later this week on a new version of the law.

"This cause is bigger than the quarrels of party and the agendas of politicians," Cheney said. "And if we in Washington, all of us, can only see our way clear to work together, then the outcome should not be in doubt."

Congress hastily adopted the stopgap act last summer in the face of warnings from the administration about dangerous gaps in the government's ability to gather intelligence in the Internet age.

Administration allies in Congress not only want the expiring law made permanent but amended to give telephone companies and other communications providers immunity from being sued for helping the government eavesdropping and other intelligence-gathering efforts.

Cheney said such providers "face dozens of lawsuits."

"The intelligence community doesn't have the facilities to carry out the kind of international surveillance needed to defend this country since 9-11. In some situations, there is no alternative to seeking assistance from the private sector. This is entirely appropriate," Cheney said.

At the White House, press secretary Dana Perino defended the proposal to protect phone companies from liability. "These are companies who helped their country right after 9-11," she said.

At the heart of the controversy is whether the government's wireless surveillance program violated provisions of the original FISA law that requires warrants for wiretaps whenever one of the parties involved in the communication resides in the United States.

Cheney also said the administration "feels strongly that an updated FISA law should be made permanent, not merely extended again. ... There is no sound reason to pass critical legislation like the Protect America Act and slap an expiration date on it."

Reid plans to bring to the Senate floor on Thursday competing versions of the legislation.

If a bill is not approved then, Reid said he would require the Senate to work through the weekend to get a bill passed.

The original FISA law requires the government to get permission from a special court to listen in on the phone calls and e-mails of people in the United States. Changes in communications technology mean many purely foreign to foreign communications now pass through the United States and therefore require the government to get court orders to intercept them.

The Protect America Act, adopted in August, eased that restriction. Privacy and civil liberties advocates say it went too far, giving the government far more power to eavesdrop on American communications without court oversight.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; cheney; expanded; fisa; homelandsecurity; protectamericaact; reid; surveillance

1 posted on 01/23/2008 12:03:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Vice President Dick Cheney speaks at The Heritage Foundation,
Wednesday, Jan. 23, 2008, in Washington. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)


2 posted on 01/23/2008 12:04:10 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

I am so glad we have conservatives in office. Can you imagine how these things would be abused if liberals were in office?


3 posted on 01/23/2008 12:34:53 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Yeah. They might even sidle-up to islamists in so-called palestine.


4 posted on 01/23/2008 1:29:17 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Bear_Slayer
I am so glad we have conservatives in office. Can you imagine how these things would be abused if liberals were in office?

Yea so why let anyone have such blank check powers period is my position on it. Bush/Cheney giving Democrats new powers over citizens lives even Ted Kennedy could never have accomplished or dreamed of.

5 posted on 01/23/2008 1:40:41 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe
I purposefully left my /sarc tag off to see who would bite.

I agree. I'm not comfortable with either party having extra-consitutional powers.

The concerning thing, as you suggest, is why do conservatives support liberalism when a republican offers it. They would howl if it came from Teddy or Hillary.

6 posted on 01/23/2008 1:45:09 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
I’ve read your post before :>} If the GOP would use the rule of “What will Hillary do with this” perhaps much of the Bush’s government expansion would have been halted. Before Bush had Hillary ever managed to get back into the White House she would not have been near the threat she is now thanks to Bush and some Republicans.
7 posted on 01/23/2008 1:56:47 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe
I'm reminded of William Wallace's speech in Brave Heart where he encourages the nobles to lead and I recognize the GOP.

If they would only act like conservatives, they would start such an avalanche of support. They really would win elections. Instead, they condescend to the middle, drive away their base and lose elections to the democrats.

The GOP made such headway during the Clinton years and they've squandered it with liberalism in all the corners of Party ideology.

They just don't get it.

8 posted on 01/23/2008 2:01:58 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I am so sick of this whole “War on Terror” drum the current administration keeps beating. It’s such bullsh*t. A real “War on Terror” would go after the real terrorists (they’re not in Iraq). Terror nations such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, etc. ...And these guys want to increase their surveillance powers. Believe you me, it’s not as much to catch terrorists as it is a future tool to take care of us pesky American Citizens who believe in and support the Constitution.


9 posted on 01/23/2008 2:50:34 PM PST by Ranger Drew
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To: NormsRevenge
I think some people need to put away the tin foil and read the text of the bill. It isn't exactly 1984.

No information gathered without a warrant can be used against a citizen in a court of law, and none of it is released to the public. This bill is for the purpose of gathering intelligence. I've yet to see the opponents of this law produce anyone whose rights have been substantially violated by its application. There is no provision in the bill that allows the information gathered to be published or to be used as evidence in a criminal prosecution.

We're at war against an enemy that recognizes no borders. We need to gather intelligence in order to fight that enemy. That's what this bill is about.
10 posted on 01/23/2008 3:08:03 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Ranger Drew

Do you have any evidence of that at all?


11 posted on 01/23/2008 3:09:39 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Ranger Drew
I am so sick of this whole “War on Terror” drum the current administration keeps beating. It’s such bullsh*t. A real “War on Terror” would go after the real terrorists (they’re not in Iraq). Terror nations such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, etc. ...And these guys want to increase their surveillance powers. Believe you me, it’s not as much to catch terrorists as it is a future tool to take care of us pesky American Citizens who believe in and support the Constitution.

Not to mention leaving the borders wide open and granting essential amnesty to those who violate the immigration laws..while at the same time increasing surveillance on citizens in the name of the "War on Terror"

12 posted on 01/23/2008 3:13:25 PM PST by Fast Ed97
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To: The Pack Knight

Terror evidence from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria? Where have you been? The evidence is everywhere.


13 posted on 01/24/2008 4:33:11 AM PST by Ranger Drew
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To: NormsRevenge

How about “NO” Dick.

Everything should come with an expiration date. I mean, I guess you need all these extra capabilities with all the frequent and constant repeated attacks on the US since 9.11.01. Oh wait..what?


14 posted on 01/24/2008 4:42:12 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Ranger Drew

Do you have any evidence that FISA reforms are intended as “a future tool to take care of us pesky American Citizens who believe in and support the Constitution”?


15 posted on 01/24/2008 4:44:38 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Malsua

Maybe those extra capabilities had something to do with that.


16 posted on 01/24/2008 4:45:47 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: The Pack Knight
Read what he said

Dick Cheney prodded Congress on Wednesday to extend and broaden an expiring surveillance law.

I could live with extend for another 4 year period. Broaden is out of the question.

17 posted on 01/24/2008 4:49:28 AM PST by Malsua
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To: The Pack Knight

Yes, one look at Hillary’s agenda (who will be the next President unless a miracle occurs) and I have all the insight (evidence) I need. I would not sit back until things start proving themselves out. By then, there will be no way to react other than follow all the sheeple into tyranny. GWB and Company have set the stage for this to happen in the near future. Our own countrymen, patriotic Americans will be called “terrorists”. Hell, we’ve already been called vigilantes and racists.


18 posted on 01/25/2008 4:45:00 AM PST by Ranger Drew
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