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French bank finds $7.14 billion fraud
AP ^ | 01/24/08 | EMMA VANDORE

Posted on 01/24/2008 2:03:01 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

French bank finds $7.14 billion fraud

By EMMA VANDORE, Associated Press Writer

9 minutes ago

French bank Societe Generale has uncovered a $7.14 billion fraud that, combined with a write-down from its subprime exposure, will force it to seek $8.02 billion in new capital, the bank said.

France's second-largest bank by market value after BNP Paribas SA said it detected the fraud at its French markets division the weekend of Jan. 19. A trader at the futures desk had taken "massive fraudulent directional positions in 2007 and 2008 beyond his limited authority," SocGen said.

The trader, who was not named, used his knowledge of the group's security systems to conceal his positions through a series of elaborate fictitious transactions, a SocGen statement said.

The individual confessed to the fraud, the bank said, and was being dismissed. His supervisors were to leave the group. An analysis confirmed the "isolated and exceptional nature" of the fraud, the bank said.

Subprime writedowns linked to the crisis in financial markets amounted to $2.99 billion, the company said.

As a result, the bank is planning a capital hike in the "following weeks."

The write-down and losses related to the trading incident will lead the company to post a net profit of $874 million to $1.16 billion) for all of 2007, the Paris-based bank said.

Chief Executive Daniel Bouton offered his resignation but it was rejected by the board, the bank said.

The French market regulator, the AMF, said it had no comment on the multi-billion euro losses. France's Banking Federation also declined to comment.

Speculation the bank would announce more subprime-related losses has hit shares in past weeks.

Trading in Societe Generale shares was suspended Thursday, a spokeswoman for Paris market operator Euronext told Dow Jones Newswires.

Shares of SocGen closed down 4.1 percent at $115.25 on Wednesday. In the past six months it has lost nearly half of its market value.

Full-year results will be announced Feb. 21.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bank; france; fraud; societegeneral; societegenerale; subprime; traders
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So Societe General is turning into a buying opportunity for Arab oil sheiks or China state fund?
1 posted on 01/24/2008 2:03:03 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: jiggyboy; 2banana; Professional; Travis McGee

Ping!


2 posted on 01/24/2008 2:04:09 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you’re talking about some real money......


3 posted on 01/24/2008 2:23:35 AM PST by Dumpster Baby (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“The individual confessed to the fraud, the bank said, and was being dismissed.”
Ya think?


4 posted on 01/24/2008 2:27:57 AM PST by mkmensinger
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To: TigerLikesRooster

And there you have it people. I think in the coming year or so, there will be a lot of similar stories as this spoof labeled mortgage meltdown unfolds. There just is not as many foreclosures, in dollar value, as they say there are. Not to say that it isn’t a problem, just more to the story then being disclosed. IMO


5 posted on 01/24/2008 2:37:43 AM PST by Racer1
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To: mkmensinger
In France, being able to dismiss an employee is a privilege.
6 posted on 01/24/2008 2:49:48 AM PST by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: mkmensinger
The individual confessed to the fraud, the bank said, and was being dismissed. His supervisors were to leave the group.

C'est la France. He'll be drawing his salary on the Riveria until he retires before they can actually go through all the paperwork and reviews to fire him. His "supervisors"-INO will probably have to retire a year early at 54 on a miserly 90% of their previous salaries. Oh, l'injustice! It reeks of L'Affaire Dreyfus!

7 posted on 01/24/2008 2:55:28 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

For $7 billion this guy is “dismissed?”


8 posted on 01/24/2008 3:02:23 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE thOnly if McCain will promise todan to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"The French market regulator, the AMF, said it had no comment on the multi-billion euro losses. France's Banking Federation also declined to comment."

The "Gallic shrug" gesture has a number of meanings:

* It's not my fault
* I don't know
* I doubt it can be done
* I don't really agree

Raise your shoulders; hold up your hands, palms out; stick out your lower lip; raise your eyebrows; and say "Moi, je n'y peux rien," "Moi, je n'en sais rien," "Alors là," or simply "Bof !"

9 posted on 01/24/2008 3:06:40 AM PST by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

After the fist billion, I would have stepped out for some coffee and never returned.


10 posted on 01/24/2008 3:09:30 AM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Wonderful timing.


11 posted on 01/24/2008 3:10:47 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: mkmensinger

Another story by AP or whoever, said he was “suspended”. Har har.


12 posted on 01/24/2008 3:12:56 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Largest sovereign wealth funds and their estimated assets:

United Arab Emirates

$500-$875 billion

Norway

$357 billion

Singapore

$100-$300 billion

Saudi Arabia

$275 billion

Kuwait

$213 billion

China

$200 billion

Russia

$148 billion

Source: Peterson Institute for International Economics


13 posted on 01/24/2008 3:13:59 AM PST by EBH (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The story put forward by the bank must be a fraud.

How can an employee be unsupervised to the point of being able to defraud the bank to the tune of $7 billion. Then when caught simply gets “dismissed”??? What about legal action much less criminal charges? Who in their right mind would put money into a bank that has so little supervision over its customers money??? The whole story smells.


14 posted on 01/24/2008 3:24:26 AM PST by DB
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To: EBH

It would be interesting to do the comparison per capita.

Population, natural resources and land mass makes a difference in how the numbers would work out.

In the case of China and Russia, it may be higher due to their Mafia’s not reporting all their wealth.


15 posted on 01/24/2008 3:30:25 AM PST by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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To: DB

Right. I’m also thinking $7 Bil is a lot of money to spend. Seems like this employee might have his accounts frozen and at least some of the $ Billions returned or seized?


16 posted on 01/24/2008 3:31:25 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: DB; TigerLikesRooster

When liberals, Democrats are in power, everything is roses according to the media. Like the Clinton recession never happened, though it had progressed under Mr Clintons administration if the press was to be honest about the economy.


17 posted on 01/24/2008 3:32:11 AM PST by Son House (Protection For Opportunity Seekers And Tax Payers From Congress Spending: Low Tax Rates !!!)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I’m guessing the money wasn’t taken by the employee per se - if the story is even true. It is more likely the employee placed the money in bad investments. In other words played the markets and lost. So there is no way to get the money back. I’d guess it is even more likely that the bank was looking for fast cash and lost and this is the cover story...
18 posted on 01/24/2008 3:40:47 AM PST by DB
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To: TigerLikesRooster

You have to wonder how anyone thought they could get away with a $7.14 billion fraud. You also have to wonder what he did with the money. Seems kinda hard to imagine that much money simply disappearing.


19 posted on 01/24/2008 3:42:00 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"So Societe General is turning into a buying opportunity"

It appears so. This is the same sort of nonsense that killed Barclay's Bank; a rogue trader got upside down and kept doubling the bet to try and recover.

20 posted on 01/24/2008 3:53:02 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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