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House Probes Artifical Heart Pioneer Jarvik's Role in Drug Ads
Fox News ^ | Wednesday, January 23, 2008 | Greg Simmons

Posted on 01/24/2008 6:20:29 AM PST by The_Victor

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To: tiredoflaundry

I had the same reaction, and I felt so shallow that I didn’t want to admit it!


81 posted on 01/24/2008 5:05:48 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: RSmithOpt

Maybe the Jarvik heart was made right and didn’t bleed on command!


82 posted on 01/24/2008 5:10:16 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: traderrob6
Ok. I've read the article at the link, and find that it contradicts your basic premise (i.e. statins don't work). The article says that statins DO work, by a whole bunch of beneficial effects, even though the direct effect of reduced LDL doesn't completely correlate with disease results.

So, at this point, statin use is kind of like aspirin use. Precisely they work aren't precisely known, but they "do" work.

83 posted on 01/25/2008 7:13:54 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog

“LDL doesn’t completely correlate with disease results”.

Doesn’t correlate period.

All of the “side benefits” of statins can be achieved with far safer and cheaper alternatives. You are missing the point that statins are marketed to reduce cholesterol and that lower cholesterol reduces heart disease. That is not proven yet the lemming mentality maintains it is. A stark illustration that a lie repeated often enough becomes a truth.

Statins reduce all cause mortality by a scant .8% aspirin has a better track record.

More for you to read if you so choose:

http://www.ravnskov.nu/uffe.htm

http://www.spacedoc.net/index.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi69.html

http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/


84 posted on 01/25/2008 8:26:38 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Wonder Warthog

Here is another excellent article out yesterday

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=430682&in_page_id=1774


85 posted on 01/25/2008 9:40:11 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6
"Doesn’t correlate period."

I've already pointed out that what DOES correlate is the LDL/HDL ratio.

"All of the “side benefits” of statins can be achieved with far safer and cheaper alternatives. You are missing the point that statins are marketed to reduce cholesterol and that lower cholesterol reduces heart disease. That is not proven yet the lemming mentality maintains it is. A stark illustration that a lie repeated often enough becomes a truth.

Really. Name some of those alternatives, then.

"Statins reduce all cause mortality by a scant .8% aspirin has a better track record."

And this statement is frankly stupid, as the concern isn't "all cause mortality"---but cardiovascular disease. And, as I mentioned earlier, the evidence seems quite clear that statins DO reduce mortality there, viz the TV article about a 25% reduction in mortality.

And yes, I'll read your links, but I'd bet you've mis-interpreted them as badly as your first one.

86 posted on 01/25/2008 9:42:27 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: The_Victor

And the Democrats to this day complain about Joesph McCarthy.


87 posted on 01/25/2008 9:46:27 AM PST by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: carjic

Me, too. I went from 294 to 178 in a few months...


88 posted on 01/25/2008 9:51:55 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: carjic
Maybe but Lipitor took me WAY down from dangerous to normal overnight. Exercise and diet was not working..

Hopefully not at the expense of your liver.

89 posted on 01/25/2008 9:56:01 AM PST by tertiary01 (Corporate welfare: Socialize the costs- Privatize the profits)
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To: traderrob6
A friend of mine died from Rhabdomyolysis induced by the Baycol she was taking. It is also a side effect of Lipitor. It also destroys the body’s precursor to CoQ10, which needs to supplemented to prevent cardiac problems.
90 posted on 01/25/2008 10:01:34 AM PST by tertiary01 (Corporate welfare: Socialize the costs- Privatize the profits)
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To: Wonder Warthog

My you have a sharp tongue. All cause mortality takes in consideration the cardio benefit minus the additional risk of the drug itself.

“I’ve already pointed out that what DOES correlate is the LDL/HDL ratio.”

That’s highly disputed.


91 posted on 01/25/2008 3:30:51 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: tertiary01

“A friend of mine died from Rhabdomyolysis induced by the Baycol she was taking. It is also a side effect of Lipitor. It also destroys the body’s precursor to CoQ10, which needs to supplemented to prevent cardiac problems.:

Yes, that’s true.


92 posted on 01/25/2008 3:31:45 PM PST by traderrob6
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