Posted on 01/24/2008 12:20:06 PM PST by NormsRevenge
I gave that a quick glance, but will read in detail later.
From what I gathered, he is referring to the “finiteness” of the envelope of matter that we call the “universe”.
If this envelope is growing, and filling up a void, it still means that the classical definition of the universe, i.e. the envelope of matter plus the space that it is advancing into, is infinite.
The surface of the Earth has no edge, yet the surface of the Earth is finite in area
Space is curved, and it looks like space is closed, and has a finite amount of mass.
Say this space is the Earth's surface. What happens when a "spaceship" pierces out of it, or attempts to do so?
Will it disappear at the boundary and re-appear at the diametrically opposite boundary, like in some of those video games?
I’ve written some “universe” games, and the toroidal universe that you’re referring to is one of the easiest to implement...
Cosmologically speaking....a mere whisker.
What I was trying to say was that if a particular shape is confining the universe, shouldn’t the regions that are confining this universe also be a part of the universe? If yes, then there is no physical limit to the universe, is there?
How can the universe not be infinite in a physical sense?
We actually get “hit” several times a day. It’s just that most of it is too small to make it through atmo. The stuff that does is to small for us to notice hitting, but still comes through very very often.
What’s amazing is that we haven’t been hit by something big for so long.
About time they started getting back to entertaining theories, rather than the usual knee-jerk BDS, America is the great Satan, and GW is only caused by human activity BS.
Looks like it was the first half of hour three. That might be worth listening to.
And I'll give LMH a ear too. Last time she was on, she was hyping something like crop circles are warning signs of GW.
My take is that all crops burning to a crisp MIGHT be a sign of GW...
This Source is Disputing NASA's News Release . . . Above Top Secret has posted a report saying NASA is closely monitoring the incoming asteroid. Rumored to not be upgrading reports like they are required to do. ATS says a NASA insider tipped them off.
I'm not saying this info is accurate or trustworthy. Just saying it out there on the web.
Also you may Take a peek at one of these YouTube Videos. They occasionally get overloaded thus I linked to three sources:
Much of what is on Coast is also on FR, the difference being the live interviews on Coast, so aside from that, and you can hear quite a bit in the voice that doesn’t communicate in print, not everything is missed.
It is odd because I’ve been getting an asteroid icon popping up on my cellphone; I have no idea what it means or how to get rid of it.
“Infinity does not guarantee that all outcomes will be realized.”
“True.”
“Nor does it deny to zero probability, even the most absurd-to-realise combination from occurring.”
That surfer dude needs to keep his day job.
You two just solved the theory of everything.
“I assume this is the one that was going to kill us all?”
They all want to kill us. Few of them get the chance.
Heheheh!
And thus we have a defined limit on the usefulness of applied mathematics. What a beautiful thing the human brain is that we can immediately conclude with certainty that the monkey will never be successful at duplicating Tolstoy.
Thought about your “beyond the material universe” question.
We were discussing the probabilities of earthlike planets and techno societies. The “infiniteness” of the “beyond” is irrelevant if it contains no matter, as it adds nothing to the probability of life.
The expanding universe will fill that void, won’t it?
Besides, the current universe, in itself, is large enough to allow probabilities numbering in the astronomical figures.
Good morning.
“The expanding universe will fill that void, wont it?”
Irrelevant. The amount of matter remains the same, and expansion in space (lower density) actually reduces the likelihood that “rocky” planets will form.
Actually, the “probabilities” don’t depend on numbers as much as specific and special circumstances*. The infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters do NOT produce the works of William Shakespeare.
Three books that I’d suggest - the authors have done the legwork and interviewed all the appropriate scientists and made things understandable to any reader with a modicum of physics understanding:
Rare Earth
Privileged Planet
The Case for a Creator
I suggest this order of reading.
*Example - our moon (size and distance) is absolutely REQUIRED for life as it exists here. It was formed by a mars sized body striking at the exact right angle at the right time of formation of the earth (still soft). This is in the books.
If you need more than one quarter, you’re not the man for the job. Hell, you don’t even get three Earths to start with.
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