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National Sales Tax Controversial Among Anti-Tax Economic Experts
thebulletin ^ | 01/25/2008 | By: Bradley Vasoli

Posted on 01/26/2008 5:15:28 AM PST by xcamel

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To: 6ppc
Not true...everyone gets the same rebate regardless of income. I'm still not sure I like the Fair Tax though.

Idealistically...in Boortz's book....you may be correct.

But until it is actually implemented through congress's barter-backscratching, you simply cannot say one way or another what it will be.

IMO, that's the only real divide among freepers from Xcamel to Manfitty---the idealists who think the NewTex is ideal, and us skeptics who think that anything that goes through Congress will only make matters worse.

I like a fine steak, too. But I know that once it goes through the grinder it's just hamburger.

41 posted on 01/26/2008 8:01:42 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: xcamel

Heck with a FT. REDUCE GOVERNMENT SPENDING!


42 posted on 01/26/2008 8:03:02 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: counterpunch; 6ppc
That was a general observation about the degeneration of the tone of discussion on Free Republic. You never directly called him an idiot, but why say something like this:

How long have you lived on this planet, and how many of those years have you followed American politics?

It's just an example of the unnecessarily inflammatory rhetoric on this site. Even is no offense is intended, it's hard not to initially assume some was meant when you first read a phrase like that.

43 posted on 01/26/2008 8:04:14 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar; 6ppc

FR has always depended greatly on overheated rhetoric and hyperbole.
But regardless, I do think that my line of questioning was perfectly acceptable given that 6ppc took the claims of politicians trying to impose something with the words “fair” and “tax” in the name at face value.

One really must wonder if anyone who does such a thing has been paying attention all these years.
Where has FreeRepublic failed that we would have members who fall for this still?


44 posted on 01/26/2008 8:10:13 AM PST by counterpunch (Mike Huckabee — The Religious Wrong)
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To: 6ppc
Please answer this question...why did you respond to my comment with an insult? The prevailing pattern on FR these days is to call anyone you disagree with an idiot.

"These days?" IMO, this is not new. And I've been part of the ijit-callin'/ijit-called! So I know! =)

FR is Rush Limbaugh's Dittohead audience with a CSPAN host mediating the calls 5 at a time.

45 posted on 01/26/2008 8:11:10 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Neidermeyer

The 16th Amendment reads as follows: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

The Amendment authorizes an income tax, it doesn’t require one.


46 posted on 01/26/2008 8:12:33 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: Young Scholar
It's just an example of the unnecessarily inflammatory rhetoric on this site. Even is no offense is intended, it's hard not to initially assume some was meant when you first read a phrase like that.

That's exactly the point I was making with my response...you just said it more succinctly than I did.

47 posted on 01/26/2008 8:13:49 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: sam_paine
us skeptics who think that anything that goes through Congress will only make matters worse.

Count me among you. I've decided the fair tax won't work for exactly that reason. Congress turns everything it touches into crap...see my tag line for my real opinion of Congress.

48 posted on 01/26/2008 8:16:58 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: counterpunch; Young Scholar; 6ppc

Has anyone ever been swayed by any of the rhetoric -inside- FR?

Isn’t it just a running commentary on the outside world?

Other than the Walter Reed protests, does it really have an effect?

Immigration meltdown? Did that do anything? Great. There was no amnesty...and now we have McCain and Hillary Amnesty-pals leading in the primaries?


49 posted on 01/26/2008 8:19:49 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: 6ppc
I've decided the fair tax won't work for exactly that reason.

I'm coming to the heart-breaking conclusion that conservatism can no longer work for that reason.

There's hardly a marketplace for 'the marketplace' anymore.

Today's articles: "Preschoolers out of control" and "Bill Gates refutes capitalism."

Out of this we're going to get a revival of independence and self-reliance in the next generation?

Ugh.

50 posted on 01/26/2008 8:25:29 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: longtermmemmory
a 30% sales tax would have a negative impact on business.

That's obvious to everyone but the FairTax cultists who believe the maxim "you get less of what you tax" does not hold true in this particular instance.

51 posted on 01/26/2008 8:25:48 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: sam_paine
Has anyone ever been swayed by any of the rhetoric -inside- FR?

Rhetoric no, but I have changed my mind based on reasoned arguments.

52 posted on 01/26/2008 8:26:36 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: sam_paine

Romney is coming up on McCain fast.
Romney should win Florida, going into Super Tuesday with the wind at his back.
Latest head to head matchups against both Hillary and Obama at Rasmussen puts both Romney and McCain’s showings within the margin or error of one another. This means that McCain doesn’t really have any electoral advantage over Romney when going up against either Democrat.

This is the word that needs to get out.
We have several weeks of MSM spin about McCain having “the best chance of winning” to unravel.

FR does have an impact on the real world, because what is said here influences the leading conservative publications and Rush Limbaugh, and they certainly have an impact on “the outside world.” I’ve personally seen some of my work posted here cited by Rush and used on his website.

What is said here does matter.


53 posted on 01/26/2008 8:28:06 AM PST by counterpunch (Mike Huckabee — The Religious Wrong)
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To: xcamel
A huge problem for the Fairy tax and the prebate....

Consumption that is localized. The prebate is meant to cover necessary purchases and be one size fits all nationwide.

How do you deal with the now massive heating fuel costs in northern states that would go up 30% overnight?

You can’t live without heat and the fuel costs are now obscene.( I just got a fuel bill for $1150 yesterday!)

Anyone that thinks the RATS would ever allow a one size fits all prebate is smoking crack.

54 posted on 01/26/2008 8:29:39 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: counterpunch
Ok. So the comforting word of the day is that out of 300,000,000 people, if things work out for the best then conservatives may have a choice between Romney and an all-out Marxist hag.

Oh happy day! =)

Rush has an audience of 20 million, 3 hrs a day.

The liberals have the ears of 50 million American children for 7 hours a day, and the rest of the media for the remaining day!

And the only replacement we have for the intellectual heft of Will F Buckley is a Canadian! (Steyn.)

Other than that, I'm an optimist.

55 posted on 01/26/2008 8:36:09 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Beagle8U
How do you deal with the now massive heating fuel costs in northern states that would go up 30% overnight?

Or rents in California.

56 posted on 01/26/2008 8:36:41 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
Or rents in California.

Which encourages the people who made it that way sell their shoe box house and to move out to red states, buy up a couple of larger houses and carry their leftist infection with them.

57 posted on 01/26/2008 8:39:26 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: lucysmom

The entire fairy tax plan is a pipe dream.


58 posted on 01/26/2008 8:40:43 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Young Scholar
Sadly, you’ll find plenty of that in the FT threads on FR. Anyone who is opposed to it gets insulted and attacked unmercifully.
59 posted on 01/26/2008 8:41:30 AM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Bada-Bing!


60 posted on 01/26/2008 8:43:43 AM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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