National Sales Tax Controversial Among Anti-Tax Economic Experts

thebulletin ^ | 01/25/2008 | By: Bradley Vasoli

[Your Nightmare]

Read the bill ,, it is implemented on Jan 1 following the repeal of the 16th.. it could be passed tomorrow and not implemented for 5 or 10 years,, however long it takes to repeal the 16th.

You read the bill and show me where that requirement is.

[xcamel]

FYI... Rush completely trashed the FT - more than a couple of times..

[counterpunch]

if things work out for the best then conservatives may have a choice between Romney and an all-out Marxist hag.

That would work out pretty well, actually. Romney will turn out to be a solid conservative. Cut the guy some slack, he was trying to get elected in Massachusetts. He had to run to the left there. He managed to trick enough liberals into voting for him so he could get in there and do some good. So good for him.

Mitt is a very articulate advocate for conservative principles. That's something we've been lacking since the Gingrich revolution imploded. We certainly haven't had it in the 8 years under Bush, as he's been neither articulate not conservative. He never even tried much to explain conservative positions, and saying "it's hard work" over and over is no substitute.

Romney has consistently been the best at explaining his positions credibly, and he has never lost his cool once during the debates, no matter how much he was goaded. That will be invaluable in the general election against Hillary.

But Romney winning is still not the best nor most important part. Hillary losing is. And the Clintons will destroy the future of what could have been a truly promising Democrat, and destroy their own legacy in the process, and with it, the very identity of the Democrat party.

[Young Scholar]

Eh, on those threads both sides attack each other pretty mercilessly. I generally avoid them.

[xcamel]

True, all but for the part where the rational person questioning the viability of the FT exclaims (mildly) "It's a sham..", and the Fairtax "supporter replies":

You ignorant *****, low grade ****** moron, ******ing SQl, shallow end of the gene pool ***** with a ***** and a ****** for parents ***** and read the *****ing book!"

Other than that, you're right on the money.

[sam_paine]

He managed to trick enough liberals into voting for him so he could get in there and do some good. So good for him.

Don't get me wrong, I'll take a Trojan Horse if I can get it!

But that's really my point. The market is not clamoring for conservatism, and the only way to get even some of it is with trick plays and curveballs.

America is becoming more like MA, and I'm not sure that a Bush-to-Romney trend leads us in the 'right' direction...but I am confident that Hill, or even Obama would lead us in the 'wrong' dir!

[xcamel]

I’d just as soon take a conservative pretending to be a liberal, but being from NY, I just can’t get my head around Romney... and not for a while yet..

[Young Scholar]

Oh, sorry, I read “FT” to mean free trade.

[Young Scholar]

Oh, sorry, I read “FT” to mean free trade.

[xcamel]

Ah if it were only that simple...

We did, after some research, find the first page of the 'fairtaxer debate rulebook' though...

'Mash with a vengeance here'

[Paladin2]

It’s no more unrealistic than the FT. I’ll be setting up all kinds of schools under the FT so you can pay tax free tuition and get tax free supplies included (groceries, new cars, guitars, dinner, whatever you want).

[Paladin2]

Envision the last month before implementation of the FT.

Essentially a tax holiday as everyone figures out what will happen at the start of the new year.

[Paladin2]

Not really. They are to a large degree responsible for policies that devalue the dollar, and through their deficit spending can do a lot. See the Carter years.

[Young Scholar]

I guess that’s true, but the Fed can also enact inflationary policies on its own (which you can’t really hold Congress responsible for, except to the extent that they confirmed the President’s nominees to the Fed).

[Paladin2]

True. Who’s running the Fed does matter.

[Amendment10]

Regardless if a national sales tax turns out to be a hindrance or a help, the fact remains that our federal taxes are too high anyway as a consequence of constitutionally unauthorized federal spending. This post (<-click) tells how FDR butchered the Constitution in order to establish his New Deal federal spending programs, the consequences of which we are still suffering today in the form of high federal taxes and federal government interference in state affairs.

(Should anybody feel inclined to comment about the above referenced post, then please do so in this thread.)

The bottom line is that the people need to wise up to the very serious problem of a federal government that is not working within the constraints of the federal Constitution, the consequence of FDR's dirty politics. The people need to quit sitting on their hands and petition lawmakers, judges and justices who are not upholding their oaths to defend the Constitution, demanding that they resign from their jobs.

[xcamel]

You and I agree completely on the “out of control” spending - most of which is unconstitutional as you suggest.

“It’s the spending, Stupid!” ©

[xcamel]

Didn’t want you folks to feel “left out”

[pnh102]

Personally, I do not see the current federal income tax system as broken. I just think the rates are too high. I do not see any reason why I should support a Fair Tax when it does not lower the overall amount of tax that I would pay.

[lewislynn]

Read the bill ,, it is implemented on Jan 1 following the repeal of the 16th..

As evidenced by that line, I'm always amazed at how many Fairtaxers parrot the "read the bill" line that have obviously never read the bill....There is NO legislative action regarding the 16th amendment in "the bill"...read it yourself.