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Anchor Babies Weigh Down Economy
Hernando Today ^ | 07/26/08 | JOHN REINIERS

Posted on 01/26/2008 9:07:56 AM PST by MotleyGirl70

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To: MotleyGirl70
Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884).......... The question then is, whether an Indian, born a member of one of the Indian tribes within the United States, is, merely by reason of his birth within the United States, and of his afterwards voluntarily separating himself from his tribe and taking up his residence among white citizens, a citizen of the United States, within the meaning of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution. .......... The Court held Elk was not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States at birth. “The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.”
41 posted on 01/26/2008 12:34:19 PM PST by Polybius
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To: smoketree

No


42 posted on 01/26/2008 12:36:20 PM PST by trumandogz (Whichever Way the Wind Blows Willard 2008)
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To: trumandogz

Why?
Don’t they know more than you?


43 posted on 01/26/2008 12:37:42 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: smoketree

Plyler Decision:

That the Texas law which withheld funds from local school districts for educating children not legally admitted into the United States and the authorization of these districts to deny these children enrollment, violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.


44 posted on 01/26/2008 12:41:20 PM PST by trumandogz (Whichever Way the Wind Blows Willard 2008)
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To: smoketree

I never stated that I agree with any SCOTUS decision. However, I do accept their decisions and understand that Plyler is not likely to be overturned.


45 posted on 01/26/2008 12:43:27 PM PST by trumandogz (Whichever Way the Wind Blows Willard 2008)
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To: MotleyGirl70

It’s a crime that thee is zero talk about this in Washington DC. I realize the obstacles to getting rid of alleged anchor baby interpretations of the 14th. But no one in DC ever expresses any distress over all the anchor babies being churned out. Rich Koreans and Asians come here 9 months pregnant to give birth so the kid has US dual citizenship to fall back on

Totally disgusted here at gutless wonders in Washington DC.


46 posted on 01/26/2008 12:52:01 PM PST by dennisw
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To: gubamyster

Bttt!


47 posted on 01/26/2008 12:57:52 PM PST by TheLion
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To: trumandogz; smoketree
Illegal aliens are NOT “subject to the jurisdictions thereof” .... smoketree

In Plyer v. Doe the SCOTUS ruled that illegal aliens are protected by the Constitution. ..... trumandogz

Plyler v. Doe did not specifically adddress the issue of anchor babies and stated that ALL children who are illegal in a particular State were under the jurisdiction of that particular State. The issue revolved over whether or not children who were not responsible for the illegal activities of their parents should be directly punished by witholding education.

However, you believe that illegal aliens are not “subject to the jurisdictions thereof” then you must also accept that illegal aliens cannot be prosecuted for crimes committed while on U.S. soil. ...... trumandogz

That is a rather concrete interpretation as even Hermann Goering, as he awaited trial at Nuremberg, guarded by U.S. Army M.P.'s was being prosecuted by the U.S. Government for crimes committed on foreign soil.

Elk v. Wilkins defined "jurisdiction thereof" in the context of the Fourteenth Amendment as follows:

“The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.”

Plyler v. Doe never directly addressed the issue of citizenship solely by the virtue of birth on U.S. soil.

Elk v. Wilkins did.

The bottom line is that it took the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 to make Indians born on U.S. soil citizens solely by virtue of birth on U.S. soil.

48 posted on 01/26/2008 1:05:09 PM PST by Polybius
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Exactly. This idiocity must stop. What a perk for terrorists and other criminals and welfare cheats.
49 posted on 01/26/2008 2:05:08 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Polybius

The true bottom line is that these babies are issued a birth certificate with a U.S. origin. They, and most others, believe that makes them a U.S. citizen. And, that will be the eventual downfall of the U.S. because soon they will be able to vote.


50 posted on 01/26/2008 2:22:08 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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The true bottom line is that these babies are issued a birth certificate with a U.S. origin.

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

51 posted on 01/26/2008 2:30:39 PM PST by Polybius
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And, that will be the eventual downfall of the U.S. because soon they will be able to vote.

Why would voting rights for Natural Born Citizens lead to the downfall of the United States?

52 posted on 01/26/2008 3:56:58 PM PST by trumandogz (Whichever Way the Wind Blows Willard 2008)
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To: trumandogz

because their parents got them here illegally, and intentionally in most cases, to use our government systems to provide for them without ever having to earn it or pay for it one day in their life previously, and in some cases, live off that government largess for the rest of their lives.


53 posted on 01/26/2008 4:08:43 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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Why would voting rights for Natural Born Citizens lead to the downfall of the United States?

First, they are not Natural Born Citizens. Second, when they get to voting age they will vote in any candidate that promises reperations for madre and padre along with all sorts of freebies in reward for their "struggle".

54 posted on 01/26/2008 4:24:21 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Polybius

But the Indians were here legally.
So that is not the same.


55 posted on 01/27/2008 8:02:41 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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