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Arizona Law Takes a Toll on Nonresident Students
New York Times ^ | 1/27/08 | Jesse McKinley

Posted on 01/27/2008 10:16:06 AM PST by Knutsdatter

PHOENIX — When Marco Carrillo, went to meet with his college counselor, her major worry about his future had little to do with his SAT scores or essay or extracurricular activities. It had to do with his citizenship. Such questions have become commonplace in Arizona, where voters passed a 2006 referendum, Proposition 300, that forbids college students who cannot prove they are legal residents from receiving state financial assistance. The law does not forbid nonlegal residents from attending college or require colleges to report them to the authorities. . . .supporters said the law would save the state millions of dollars and provide a powerful disincentive to prospective border-jumpers. State Representative John Kavanagh, a Republican from Fountain Hills, east of Phoenix [said] “Denying the in-state tuition, besides being fair to residents, also deters illegal immigrants from coming here.” [Teresa Guerra said] “A lot of people I’ve grown up with have gone through that whole thing. They’re raised in the American educational system, and now they have no future. These are people who have basically lived in America their whole lives, know nothing else, and now their shot at the American dream is gone.” Representative Kavanagh said the law’s intent was not to rob young, assimilated Mexicans of the opportunity to go to college, but merely to try to tame a problem Washington had not solved. “I would be more than happy to take care of those kids who came here at a young age — they are as American as my kids and would be totally lost if they were deported,” he said, challenging Democrats in Arizona to draft a bill that “doesn’t have amnesty attached to it.” Mr. Carrillo, the Arizona State student, said he knew of several nonlegal residents considering returning to Mexico for college.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: illegalaliens; instatetuition
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To: Knutsdatter

I, as a nonresident of Arizona, although a citizen of the USA and taxpayer all my life, would not be able to receive instate tuition or state aid for education from Arizona. Yet there is an argument as to why an illegal who is NOT a citizen of this country is barred from receiving the same?
This is just ludicrous. Thats how insane this country has become.


21 posted on 01/27/2008 11:12:31 AM PST by donnab (don't blame me ...I supported Fred.)
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To: rabscuttle385

< Additionally, since you are neither a U.S. citizen nor a permanent resident, you are ineligible for Federal, state, and institutional financial assistance, as you are classified as an international student. >

When I earned my degrees, the Universities I attended had a separate rate for foreign students which were greatly higher than the out of state tuition.

Since these people are NOT US citizens, they should be made to pay the foreign rates, not just the out of state rates.


22 posted on 01/27/2008 12:10:01 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Knutsdatter
Mr. Carrillo, the Arizona State student, said he knew of several nonlegal residents considering returning to Mexico for college.

“It’s expensive going to school in Mexico over there because there’s no such thing as financial aid,” he said. “You pretty much have to scrape it. But at least you’re not worried that you’re going to get deported.”

Wow. Fancy that. In Mexico there is no free ride. So they come here to suck off the American teat to put their ass thru college.

23 posted on 01/27/2008 12:13:25 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: B4Ranch

bump


24 posted on 01/27/2008 12:45:51 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: Knutsdatter
“A lot of people I’ve grown up with have gone through that whole thing. They’re raised in the American educational system, and now they have no future. These are people who have basically lived in America their whole lives, know nothing else, and now their shot at the American dream is gone.”

If they are not in the country legally, how can they expect to have a job upon graduation? Why educate them if they are unemployable???????

25 posted on 01/27/2008 12:51:48 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Real men don't vote Democrat.)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun
You think after McCain drops out of the Republican primary he should run for Governor? I heard he "gets it" now.
26 posted on 01/27/2008 2:50:33 PM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: BufordP

I hate to say it but I think Nappy is a better governess than The McCainiac would be.

He’d probably get elected. The only McCainiac supporters I’ve met have been old retired military guys that just mumble “pow, war hero” and refuse to acknowledge that the guy is Hillary with fewer wrinkles.


27 posted on 01/27/2008 3:14:39 PM PST by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: OldMissileer
Since these people are NOT US citizens, they should be made to pay the foreign rates, not just the out of state rates.

The University that I attend has no such extra rate, but foreign students are ineligible for financial aid (including loans) and must jump through more hoops than other out-of-state students, including proving that they have financial support to the tune of tens of thousands a year.

28 posted on 01/27/2008 6:34:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Admin Moderator for President.)
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To: Knutsdatter

Heck, I’m against taxpayer-funded “in-state” tuition for actual, legal residents. I’m strongly against illegals getting yet another benefit as well. They can go to college back in their home country.


29 posted on 01/27/2008 6:52:10 PM PST by meyer (Illegal Immigration - The profits are privatized, the costs are socialized.)
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To: B4Ranch

Thanks for the handy list! I have printed out so many “costs” pages, but they have gotten lost in the stack. Will try to keep track of this one. Can use it when replying to the lies and misrepresentations and omissions in the editorial in the NY Times last Friday (One Argument, 12 Million Holes 1/18/08).


30 posted on 01/28/2008 2:34:13 AM PST by Knutsdatter
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