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ABC Show Will Go on, Over Protest by Doctors (Episode claims immunization causes autism)
New York Times ^ | 29 January 2008 | By EDWARD WYATT

Posted on 01/28/2008 11:54:13 PM PST by bd476

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To: AnotherUnixGeek; holdonnow
Another UnixGeek wrote: "In that case, airing this unsupported claim of dangerous vaccinations is just irresponsible. Too many people believe that any nonsense aired in some TV drama is fact. The only proven fact here is that childhood vaccinations keep alive many children who used to die from a variety of illnesses."

I agree completely.

What about the free speech argument, or the excuse that it's just a fictional show for entertainment purposes only?

Is there legal justification to prohibit content if the content is portrayed as "fiction" in a television drama? Just asking because I do not know.

21 posted on 01/29/2008 2:34:31 AM PST by bd476
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Bless you and thank you.

22 posted on 01/29/2008 2:38:25 AM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

Ugh... Is this that mercury thing again? Debunked and debunked - years ago. Autism rates in Europe actually began to skyrocket AFTER they stopped using it in vaccinations. And now the mercury-less vaccinations, adopted to prevent autism, are suspected of causing autism again?

Gettin a little ridiculous.


23 posted on 01/29/2008 2:39:11 AM PST by COgamer
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To: LibertyRocks
there is definitely something causing the genetic problems with the rise in Autism

But are we asking the right questions?

Is there really a rise in the number of children with Autism or are there simply more children being diagnosed with Autism that once were diagnosed with something else (retardation) or not diagnosed period.

If the increase in Autism is real finding the cause will be difficult. The correlation between vaccines and the onset of Autism is flimsy. The mercury-based preservative once widely used in childhood vaccines has not been used in years and I have not heard of any drop in the incidence of Autism.

The onset of Autism has always been in the 1 to 5 age range which co-incidentally is also the age when vaccines are administered.

Nailing down the cause of a disorder effecting the brain is never going to be easy because it is such a complex organ and is developing rapidly from a few weeks after conception through age six or seven (and keeps developing to about age 27). One theory of Autism that I read is that it is analogous to schizophrenia. Schizophrenia has an onset of around 17 to 22. This is also a time of critical brain development similar to the time when Autism occurs.

Another theory I have read noted a correlation between flue like symptoms and the onset of Autism. This suggested a possible link to a viral infection causing a change in brain development.

My point being that determining the cause(s) of Autism will be a long and difficult process unless we get lucky.

24 posted on 01/29/2008 2:40:01 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: bd476
Mercury is dangerous. If you dont have enough sense to understand that then you are ignorant. Some people can tolerate more mercury than others. Poisons and toxins are not metabolised the same in every person.

If Mercury based preservatives are not dangerous then why is it banned in many of the industrialized nations except of course the United States. Why is it that Dick Armey a man in the pocket of the pharma industry puts a rider in in the 2002 Homeland security act to protect the industry from lawsuits from thimerosal?

If you accept the party line from the goverment who passes laws to protect industry at the expense of its citizens, then you really are very naive.

25 posted on 01/29/2008 2:43:42 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: ColdSteelTalon
Keep in mind that the pharmaceutical companies are interested in profit. I know I used to work for one.

So does every other company in the world. It's called capitalism. It's the reason we have the wealth and leisure to sit in front of computers and debate, instead of walking behind ox-drawn plows all our lives.

26 posted on 01/29/2008 2:44:13 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555

Profit at the expense of human lives and health. Thats the side of capitalism I can do without.


27 posted on 01/29/2008 2:46:54 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: durasell
I think it's an pro-illegal immigration ploy also tied to this as those adults and their children that invade have immunizations of less than 1% on average.

As with the statin hype (some people are helped) the hype with all the 'preventable' diseases that children can be immunized for has increased 7 fold since the mid-late 60's.

Mumps, measles, whooping cough, diphtheria, tetanus, TB, smallpox, and polio were pretty much the standard immunizations when I was a kid, but today, diseases once practically eradicated from the US are back and climbing.

I think the crap in our food (preservatives, antibiotics and steroids ingested by the expecting mothers) combined with the additional 'needed vaccinations for kids' in our meat supply is the culprit triggering the rise in autism. Think about the sheer level of the combination of these man-made substances in our systems today.

Of course, the quest profits will keep the scientists quite for these answers.

28 posted on 01/29/2008 2:47:56 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
Why is it that Dick Armey a man in the pocket of the pharma industry puts a rider in in the 2002 Homeland security act to protect the industry from lawsuits from thimerosal?

the story line of the TV show gives you your answer. Your buddies like John Edwards don't care about facts, just profiteering on peoples' fears. I guess you got canned by a pharmaceutical company and are pretty bitter about it . I'm sorry.

29 posted on 01/29/2008 2:48:57 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: durasell
durasell wrote: "Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah...gubmint science. Here’s an expert!"

Durasell, thanks for responding.

Your response is a lot longer but I wanted to quote just the first part of what you wrote because I believe that unintentionally, you've made a strong point.

How many people take the time to carefully read before responding?

I read your entire response and based upon your first sentence, I doubt that you read mine.

A difficulty we all face is that the information highway is jam-packed with scientific facts while unproven, untested hearsay, gossip and guesses are loading up on the on-ramps.

If you're not going to read and address what I've personally experienced, why in the world would I bother reading alleged quotes from some actress neither one of us know personally?

30 posted on 01/29/2008 2:53:59 AM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

This show appears to be a John Edwards for President 2008 infomercial.


31 posted on 01/29/2008 2:56:40 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (QMC(SW) USN........ CG21 DD988 FFG34 PC6 ARS53)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
ColdSteelTalon wrote: "If you dont have enough sense to understand that then you are ignorant."


First, what post are responding to?

Secondly, your If... then argument fails logically.

I don't have to possess enough of anything to understand that you have a serious reading comprehension problem.


ColdSteelTalon wrote: "If Mercury based preservatives are not dangerous..."
Where did you read that?


ColdSteelTalon wrote: "Why is it that Dick Armey a man in the pocket of the pharma industry puts a rider in in the 2002 Homeland security act to protect the industry from lawsuits from thimerosal?"

Where did you read that?



ColdSteelTalon wrote: "If you accept the party line from the goverment who passes laws to protect industry at the expense of its citizens..."

Whoa! Did you take a wrong turn and instead of heading to DU, you landed here?

32 posted on 01/29/2008 3:07:13 AM PST by bd476
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
A Balrog of Morgoth wrote: "This show appears to be a John Edwards for President 2008 infomercial."

ROFL! Perfect!

33 posted on 01/29/2008 3:09:38 AM PST by bd476
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To: Pontiac

Thimerosal might be a TRIGGER for autism, but it is not the cause - - IT NEVER WAS.

Autism is a genetic disorder. See #18... I have researched this topic extensively and have several dozen more pages than that


34 posted on 01/29/2008 3:12:28 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: gusopol3
I guess you got canned by a pharmaceutical company and are pretty bitter about it . I'm sorry.

Nice straw man argument. But totally innacurate.

Here are the facts... I worked for a pharma company In Delaware in the mid 90s as a consultant. They were working a new AIDS drug and someone was killed from it. The talk around the office was that they had spent 400 million dollars and they were not going to see a return on the investment. No mention about the poor man who died.

My eyes were opened and I realized that people love money far more than they do each other.

Anyhow the scuttlebut later was that further animal experimentation might have caught the lethal problem, but they were in a race with other pharma companies.

So you see no one can sell me that companies and the gubberment are just hookers with a heart of gold crap. I aint buying.

35 posted on 01/29/2008 3:16:22 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: bd476

Go soak your head moron.


36 posted on 01/29/2008 3:18:27 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: COgamer; Sir Francis Dashwood
COgamer wrote: "Ugh... Is this that mercury thing again? Debunked and debunked - years ago. Autism rates in Europe actually began to skyrocket AFTER they stopped using it in vaccinations. And now the mercury-less vaccinations, adopted to prevent autism, are suspected of causing autism again?

Gettin a little ridiculous"


Yes, agree that it's ridiculous. Yet this is also a good example of how important it is for everyone, including you and me, to be wise consumers, wise voters, and have access to and read factual information.

The non-stop "infotainment" we receive from television dramas, talk shows and the 5:00 Evening News rarely has anything of substance.

Do you have links to the information you cited about the rise in autisum rates in Europe after Europe (which countries?) stopped using mercury in vaccinations? Thanks in advance. I appreciate it!

37 posted on 01/29/2008 3:20:40 AM PST by bd476
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To: ColdSteelTalon
ColdSteelTalon wrote: "Go soak your head moron."
LOL! Aww, come on, why would you say something like that? I'm here to discuss and you seem only intent on name-calling and trying to bully people.

What's your motive in doing that? It certainly can't be to prove or disprove a point.

What is your goal in posting here?

38 posted on 01/29/2008 3:26:13 AM PST by bd476
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To: ColdSteelTalon

So what you’re saying is, let the guy die of AIDS, don’t try to do anything about it because somebody might make some money. You are a true lover of your fellow man.


39 posted on 01/29/2008 3:32:11 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: RSmithOpt

See #18... I have research and sources...

Now, about man made agents in our food.

I would only agree (in my limited expertise on the subject) that it is troublesome the depletion of trace minerals in the soil is affecting nutritional health.

Mothers need to breast feed infants. The antibodies are essential. In fact, bovine colostrum is now being harvested as a nutritional supplement because of the antibodies...

However, this also means the calf is not getting this. Dairy farmers and beef producers often load their stock up on antibiotics. Add to this the fact that the feeding practices of cattle are sometimes neglected, then consider problems like mad cow disease.

There is a reason cows are regularly given mineral salts.

The funny thing about cow’s milk is that the casein is very course and not readily absorbed by the human digestive system. Goat’s milk is much better for you because it is very easy to digest.


40 posted on 01/29/2008 3:33:32 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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