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The Facts about Canada's Doctor Shortage
Canadian Medical Association ^

Posted on 01/29/2008 12:36:54 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen

The Facts about Canada's Doctor Shortage

There simply aren't enough people to provide the quality of health care that Canadians expect and deserve. Here are some more alarming facts that should concern us all:

* Between 4 and 5 million Canadians do not have a family physician.

* 13.4% of Canada's population is 65 or older. Within the next year, 300,000 people in Canada will turn 65—the highest annual level on record.

* Patients have increasingly complex and chronic conditions that can be expected in an aging population. This means each patient requires more time/services to address his or her health needs.

* The average physician today is spending more time on paperwork and less with patients than she or he did 20 years ago.

* The public is well informed and has high expectations of the services and tests they feel they are entitled to receive, especially with respect to quality of life in later years.

* The average age of Canada's physicians is 50.

* Shortages are not limited to rural areas; urban centres are experiencing widespread shortages, especially centres that absorb large numbers of new immigrants each year.

* The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) average number of physicians per 1000 population is 36% higher than Canada's. To match the OECD ratio, Canada would need 26,000 more physicians.

* If we want 95% of the population to be covered, we need to provide family physicians for an additional 3.3 million Canadians.

* Population growth is going to result in an extra 1.3 million people by 2012.

* By 2012 we will need to increase the number of family physicians to cover a total of 4.6 million more Canadians (includes the current 3.3 million without a family physician). This will take about 5,200 more family physicians.

* Today we have 32,708 family physicians, and we project we will have 36,357 by 2012 (based on current input/output).

* However, we believe we will need more than 37,908 family physicians by 2012. The shortfall between what we will have and what we will need is 1,551 family physicians.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: healthcare; socialist

1 posted on 01/29/2008 12:36:57 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Jason Kauppinen

PS Centre is really spelled “re” not “er”. Now if you’ll excuse me I’m off to have some tea at Tim Horton’s, eh? :P


2 posted on 01/29/2008 12:37:59 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Jason Kauppinen; aculeus; dighton
Mark Steyn said it best last week:

"But here is the absolute logical reductio of a government monopoly in health care: the ten month waiting list for the maternity ward."

3 posted on 01/29/2008 12:39:16 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Jason Kauppinen
Socialism always ends in shortages (at least to the peasants)...
4 posted on 01/29/2008 12:40:15 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Jason Kauppinen

One of the basic rules of economics is that if you institute price controls, forcing a good or service below its true market value, you will invariably cause a shortage. Among other things, government-run health care seeks to control costs in the name of efficiency. They’re being very efficient I see if proving that basic rule of economics.


5 posted on 01/29/2008 12:42:06 PM PST by PackerBronco
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To: Jason Kauppinen
>we need to provide family physicians for an additional 3.3 million Canadians

Well dog my cats, theres the answer!

Just get the government to provide doctors!! Brilliant!

6 posted on 01/29/2008 12:42:42 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Jason Kauppinen

Keep in mind that we only have 30 million people up here.

So an equally dire crisis in the US would have to be on the scale of 50 million and change of Americans not having a family doctor.


7 posted on 01/29/2008 12:45:15 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: bill1952

My sister’s doctor lives in Windsor but works at a practice in Livonia.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 12:47:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: bill1952

It’s relevant.

Canada competes with the United States for foreign medical grads. All they have to do is make it more attractive to go there than here.

Right now for residencies the hours are more sensible, compensation is competitive and specialties are more available.

The down side is having to go where they send you for 5 years after training.

They also have to fund more residencies that they do currently and increase the number of medical school seats.

So do we.


9 posted on 01/29/2008 12:50:28 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: Jason Kauppinen

I know a couple who moved here from Canada who are both doctors. Their advise is to never get sick in Canada. Their worst nightmare is national health care here, as they’re running out of places to move to.


10 posted on 01/29/2008 12:52:41 PM PST by Spok
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To: Jason Kauppinen
If we want 95% of the population to be covered...

I guess that 95% is "universal coverage". That leaves 1.5 million Canadians without health care. The United States with it's private insurance program still manages to achieve 85% coverage.

11 posted on 01/29/2008 12:56:12 PM PST by reg45
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To: reg45

And the other 15% can walk into any emergency room in the country and demand treatment.


12 posted on 01/29/2008 12:58:28 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Spok

I know a couple who moved here from Canada who are both doctors.

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This is what happens to a great deal of Canadian MDs who choose to leave Canada for the greater opportunities in the US. When I try to explain this to Americans, as an example of medical care being a ‘right’ but not being available, I usually get looks of confusion from my listener. The thought simply does not cross many minds that the availability of any kind of madical staff is not a static and given number.

PS: It is usually the native-born Canadians who move to the States, requiring Canada to import yet more foreign doctors.


13 posted on 01/29/2008 1:01:42 PM PST by maica (Romney '08)
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To: Jason Kauppinen

But...but...Michael Moore said it was paradise up ther in Sicko....


14 posted on 01/29/2008 1:05:54 PM PST by Vinomori
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To: Jason Kauppinen

The capitalists moved down south. In my town most of the doctors and nurses are Canadian.


15 posted on 01/29/2008 1:08:08 PM PST by CajunConservative (They can either go quietly or they can go loudly but either way they will go. Bobby Jindal)
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To: Jason Kauppinen
When the time comes, when socialized health care is passed in the US I almost look forward to, in a dark way, watching our Supreme Court declare that the government can set prices, determine the number of doctors, their specialties, and what they are paid, etc.

It will be the decisive end of Constitutional rule of law, the end of this shining city on a hill.

16 posted on 01/29/2008 1:33:28 PM PST by Jacquerie (Want to die in your own filth? Vote for Hillarycare.)
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To: From many - one.
Where are you getting your information on foreign grads going to Canada?

I have been told by several IMG’s that Canada has so many hoops to jump through that coming to the United States is much easier.

I have a friend in South America that has practiced medicine for 17 years as both a GP and Ophthalmologist.

She was told by the Canadian authorities and other IMG’s that getting a residency in Canada was almost impossible.

Canada wasn’t five years ago IMG friendly.

Would appreciate your thoughts if you have newer information.

17 posted on 01/29/2008 1:53:05 PM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Jason Kauppinen

When medicine is socialized Doctors make less money and are working for the government. There is no “private practice” in reality even if it remains nominally. Medicine becomes, in effect, a trade, like carpentry, or auto repair. It no longer attracts the best and brightest and the nature of the work does not attract so many. At the same time, since medical care is “free” it is resorted to for far more trivial reasons, for sniffles and bugbites. Socialization is a recipe for shortages and low quality.


18 posted on 01/29/2008 1:58:38 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: OKIEDOC

Canadian resident FMGs that I know personally.

Yes, there are hoops, but in the US, as least recently, FMGs couldn’t enter other than primary care programs.

Thus the choice would be:
US residency primary care only
or
Canadian residency, one’s preferred specialty plus x years of working where they tell you
or
Canadian residency, one’s preferred specialty and pay back salary from during residency program, work where you want.


19 posted on 01/29/2008 4:20:37 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: martin_fierro

Bump for later.


20 posted on 01/29/2008 4:48:26 PM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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