Posted on 01/31/2008 5:12:36 PM PST by rmlew
I heard that the "semi-open" quality of the Florida primary consisted in the fact that voters could change their registration at the time they voted, meaning that an independent who wanted to vote for McCain could register as a Republican on primary day and vote as a Republican. But according to the exit poll as reported by the New York Times, 17 percent of voters in the Republican primary said that they were not affiliated with either party, and they voted for McCain over Romney, 44 to 23 percent. So it's an open primary, period. McCain only won in Florida because of the votes of non-Republicans. Why has this not been reported? In what sense is the Florida Republican primary not open, if independents can vote in it, as independents?
Furthermore, while non-Hispanic whites (making up 84 percent of voters in the primary) chose Romney over McCain by 34 to 33 percent, Hispanic voters (12 percent of the GOP primary voters) preferred McCain by 54 to 14 percent, with Giuliani getting 24 percent. McCain, the candidate of amnesty, won in Florida because of the votes of Hispanics. In the Hispanicized America created by open borders, the pro open-borders candidate wins. There's direct proof that we are losing control over our country, over our very ability to be a sovereign country, because of the indiscriminate admission of people who do not believe in America as a sovereign country.
Tim W. writes:
Many Republicans simply don't understand why the "Mexicanization" of our society is devastating to the GOP and conservatism in general. All one has to do is look at California to see the effects.It's hard to believe today, but California went Republican in every presidential race from 1952 to 1988, with the lone exception of the 1964 Johnson landslide. It elected many Republican governors and senators. The GOP was a strong party there, fully competitive with the Democrats in the legislature and in statewide offices.
But over the past two decades, millions of people (mostly whites) have moved out and millions more (mostly "people of color") have moved in. The result is that the state is so Democrat that the Republicans practically write it off in presidential races. Bush lost the state in a landslide even as he won re-election in 2004. California has gone Democrat in the past four elections and there's no sign of any change this year or in any future year. Both Senate seats are safely Democrat. There's no chance of ever electing a governor like Reagan again. Schwarzenegger is a GOP governor, but he won solely because he's very liberal and because he was a big action film star.
In addition, the Democrats there have been radicalized. There are no moderates, or even moderate liberals among them. The legislature is controlled by the state's powerful racial groups, the gay lobby, feminists, environmentalists, and government employee unions. Once whites lose their majority in an area, the more vocal and racially-absorbed other races dominate. The only whites the politicians listen to are the exotic ones: homosexuals, feminists, Hollywood types, uber-rich people who live in gated mansions. The white middle class, the backbone of America, is simply shoved aside as yesterday's news.
One other note. The Cuban community in Florida is different from other Hispanic populations within America. When Castro took power, it was the productive class that fled. These people also respect the U.S. military. This is why they vote Republican, but they are unique among Hispanics in doing so. In the rest of America, the Hispanics are mostly Mestizos who are as attached to liberalism, welfare programs, affirmative action, and other liberal policies as blacks. They have a grudge against America and regard us as an imperialist nation who "stole" the southwest from Mexico.
The idea that the GOP can ever win them over, without totally becoming a liberal party, is ridiculous. This is why McCain,with his amnesty scheme, is suicide for the party.
R. Dent writes:
You wrote: "Hispanic voters (12 percent of the GOP primary voters) preferred McCain by 54 to 14 percent, with Giuliani getting 24 percent. McCain, the candidate of amnesty, won in Florida because of the votes of Hispanics. In the Hispanicized America created by open borders, the pro open-borders candidate wins."That was exactly the case, Lawrence. This is precisely why, rather than being concerned about offending Hispanics, Romney should have absolutely hammered McCain on his pro-illegal amnesty stance. It's where he's most vulnerable, and Mitt utterly failed to address it, and frankly, since Tancredo dropped out, it seems as if it's disappeared as an issue in this race. Hispanics will break for McCain in far greater numbers now that they've left Florida, where Cubans voting patterns are more like conservative Whites. Having lived in both Miami and Los Angeles, I can attest that Cubans are worlds away from the Mestizos that are streaming into the rest of the country, as Tim says.
LA replies:
But the Cuban vote was also heavily for McCain, though not as much as the Hispanic vote as a whole.
LA writes:
The Florida mystery deepens. A reader sends this, from the State of Florida elections FAQ page:
Is Florida a closed primary state?This makes no sense. We know that 17 percent of the voters in the GOP primary identified themselves as Independents. And on primary night the tv was saying that Romney was beating McCain by 33 to 31 among Republicans (according to exit polls), meaning that a lot of non-Republicans were voting, since at the same time that McCain beat Romney by five points.
Yes, Florida is a closed primary state. Only voters who are registered members of the two major political parties (Republicans and Democrats) may vote for their respective party's candidates in a primary election. However, if all candidates for an office have the same party affiliation and the winner will have no opposition in the general election, all qualified voters, regardless of party affiliation, may vote in the primary election for that office. At general elections, all voters receive the same ballot and may vote for any candidate or question on the ballot. If there are write-in candidates, a space will be left on the ballot where a write-in candidate's name may be written.
Those dang Hispanics shouldn’t be allowed to vote, I tell ya.
Ping
Of course it was Hispanic. But on the author’s part, it wasn’t.
That is an absolutely incorrect statement and if there is any evidence such changes occurred, it should be reported to the authorities ASAP.
Goshdarnit, I meant to say of course it was sarcasm, not of course it was Hispanic.
First liberalism, then liberal fascism/socialism including disarmament of the sheeple, then communism.
And who will look into this? RINO Crist?
Here's how that can make sense in a closed-primary state such as Florida. Those self-identifying "independents" registered as Republicans 30 days or more ahead of the primary. For that matter, Democrats could change their party affiliation to Republican as well, as long as it was done 30 or more days ahead. Now they can either go back to being registered RATS or drop their party affiliation.
I believe that was part of the strategy once it was clear that Florida's RAT delegates wouldn't be seated to cross over to select the weakest republican. That had to be done back in December and when Hillary suddenly wanted to put the state in play, it was too late to switch back to get a RAT ballot and vote for Obama or the Silky Pony.
“However, i have a problem with alienated minorities voting based on a group interest inimical to the country as a whole.”
I have a problem with minorites feeling “alienated” in this the land of historically unprecedented EQUAL opportunity.
Heck I have a problem with the whole concept of “minorities”; at root a divisive term that falsely implies an ungoing, societal bias toward white success at their expense.
ungoing =ongoing
Rush said that in certain districts independents were told they couldn’t vote until they declared a party. Several Democratic leaning ones gave interviews they asked for a Republican ballot and voted McCain.
Now I wonder where that directive came from. People, the fix is in. The PTB (powers that be) in the Republican party have decided this is the year to wrest control from those neanderthal conservatives.
McCain’s ability to get Hispanic votes is a major factor in his favor, at least in terms of electability. McCain’s position on amnesty will keep the GOP from getting less than 20% of the Hispanic vote. Bush got 44% in 2004 and currently only 16% of Hispanics support the GOP. McCain will get between 25-35% of the Hispanic vote. He’ll also do better among Independents than Bush ever did. For proof, see every McCain election since he’s run for office.
McCain’s whole bet is that conservatives will fear another Clinton co-presidency so badly that they’ll have no choice but to go with him. Everyone knows that some Republicans will sit it out. Only a small percentage would actually vote FOR Clinton.
“McCain won because of the votes of non-Republicans and Hispanics”
That’s how the Wall Street Journal put out this morning.
I just hope that other states will prevent libs and so called “independents” to come vote in GOP race.
I can’t stand McCain’s claim that he’s real conservative.
This story is idiotic. Even the smallest amount of research would allow the writers to know that the Hispanics in Florida are mostly Cubans not Mexicans. All this open borders crap is irrelevant. Here is what is relevant: what has Romney said about how he wants to handle Cuba? McCain has been concrete and has vocally pushed for prosecution against Raul Castro for the 1996 shootdown of the Hermanos al Rescate planes which resonates very strongly with Cuban exiles. Romney just gives generalities. McCain has been supporting Cuban exiles in Congress for years. Romney just discovered them this year when he had to run for election in Florida and then decided to group them into a comprehensive Latin American Policy Group (basically equating their legitimate struggles against communism with those of illegal Mexicans in the country).
Conservative Hispanics in Florida voted for McCain because the Romney campaign completely ignored them. Romney could have won them if he would have paid attention. He didn’t and lost.
A caller to Rush (who claimed to be a Florida poll worker) said that any party switches had to be made 30 days in advance of the election. Apparently poll workers were either not trained on the law or deliberately disobeying it.
I don't think it was a conspiracy, I just think the Republican PTB are just dumb. They get duped by the corrupt local Democrats time and time again. Republican poll watchers and workers are usually well-meaning blue-haired old ladies whereas Democrats hire shady lawyers and union types to do their poll watching.
Lets legalise 20+ million aliens inimical to conservatism and just kill our traditions and liberty!
I think that amnesty Mel Martinez’s endorsement helped too.
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