McCain won because of the votes of non-Republicans and Hispanics

View From the Right ^ | January 31, 2008 | Lawrence Auster

[rmlew]

I heard that the "semi-open" quality of the Florida primary consisted in the fact that voters could change their registration at the time they voted, meaning that an independent who wanted to vote for McCain could register as a Republican on primary day and vote as a Republican. But according to the exit poll as reported by the New York Times, 17 percent of voters in the Republican primary said that they were not affiliated with either party, and they voted for McCain over Romney, 44 to 23 percent. So it's an open primary, period. McCain only won in Florida because of the votes of non-Republicans. Why has this not been reported? In what sense is the Florida Republican primary not open, if independents can vote in it, as independents?

Furthermore, while non-Hispanic whites (making up 84 percent of voters in the primary) chose Romney over McCain by 34 to 33 percent, Hispanic voters (12 percent of the GOP primary voters) preferred McCain by 54 to 14 percent, with Giuliani getting 24 percent. McCain, the candidate of amnesty, won in Florida because of the votes of Hispanics. In the Hispanicized America created by open borders, the pro open-borders candidate wins. There's direct proof that we are losing control over our country, over our very ability to be a sovereign country, because of the indiscriminate admission of people who do not believe in America as a sovereign country.

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Tim W. writes:

Many Republicans simply don't understand why the "Mexicanization" of our society is devastating to the GOP and conservatism in general. All one has to do is look at California to see the effects.

It's hard to believe today, but California went Republican in every presidential race from 1952 to 1988, with the lone exception of the 1964 Johnson landslide. It elected many Republican governors and senators. The GOP was a strong party there, fully competitive with the Democrats in the legislature and in statewide offices.

But over the past two decades, millions of people (mostly whites) have moved out and millions more (mostly "people of color") have moved in. The result is that the state is so Democrat that the Republicans practically write it off in presidential races. Bush lost the state in a landslide even as he won re-election in 2004. California has gone Democrat in the past four elections and there's no sign of any change this year or in any future year. Both Senate seats are safely Democrat. There's no chance of ever electing a governor like Reagan again. Schwarzenegger is a GOP governor, but he won solely because he's very liberal and because he was a big action film star.

In addition, the Democrats there have been radicalized. There are no moderates, or even moderate liberals among them. The legislature is controlled by the state's powerful racial groups, the gay lobby, feminists, environmentalists, and government employee unions. Once whites lose their majority in an area, the more vocal and racially-absorbed other races dominate. The only whites the politicians listen to are the exotic ones: homosexuals, feminists, Hollywood types, uber-rich people who live in gated mansions. The white middle class, the backbone of America, is simply shoved aside as yesterday's news.

One other note. The Cuban community in Florida is different from other Hispanic populations within America. When Castro took power, it was the productive class that fled. These people also respect the U.S. military. This is why they vote Republican, but they are unique among Hispanics in doing so. In the rest of America, the Hispanics are mostly Mestizos who are as attached to liberalism, welfare programs, affirmative action, and other liberal policies as blacks. They have a grudge against America and regard us as an imperialist nation who "stole" the southwest from Mexico.

The idea that the GOP can ever win them over, without totally becoming a liberal party, is ridiculous. This is why McCain,with his amnesty scheme, is suicide for the party.

R. Dent writes:

You wrote: "Hispanic voters (12 percent of the GOP primary voters) preferred McCain by 54 to 14 percent, with Giuliani getting 24 percent. McCain, the candidate of amnesty, won in Florida because of the votes of Hispanics. In the Hispanicized America created by open borders, the pro open-borders candidate wins."

That was exactly the case, Lawrence. This is precisely why, rather than being concerned about offending Hispanics, Romney should have absolutely hammered McCain on his pro-illegal amnesty stance. It's where he's most vulnerable, and Mitt utterly failed to address it, and frankly, since Tancredo dropped out, it seems as if it's disappeared as an issue in this race. Hispanics will break for McCain in far greater numbers now that they've left Florida, where Cubans voting patterns are more like conservative Whites. Having lived in both Miami and Los Angeles, I can attest that Cubans are worlds away from the Mestizos that are streaming into the rest of the country, as Tim says.

LA replies:

But the Cuban vote was also heavily for McCain, though not as much as the Hispanic vote as a whole.

LA writes:

The Florida mystery deepens. A reader sends this, from the State of Florida elections FAQ page:

Is Florida a closed primary state?

Yes, Florida is a closed primary state. Only voters who are registered members of the two major political parties (Republicans and Democrats) may vote for their respective party's candidates in a primary election. However, if all candidates for an office have the same party affiliation and the winner will have no opposition in the general election, all qualified voters, regardless of party affiliation, may vote in the primary election for that office. At general elections, all voters receive the same ballot and may vote for any candidate or question on the ballot. If there are write-in candidates, a space will be left on the ballot where a write-in candidate's name may be written.

This makes no sense. We know that 17 percent of the voters in the GOP primary identified themselves as Independents. And on primary night the tv was saying that Romney was beating McCain by 33 to 31 among Republicans (according to exit polls), meaning that a lot of non-Republicans were voting, since at the same time that McCain beat Romney by five points.

[squidly]

Those dang Hispanics shouldn’t be allowed to vote, I tell ya.

[rmlew]

Ping

[rmlew]

Those dang Hispanics shouldn’t be allowed to vote, I tell ya.
I hope that was sarcasm.
However, i have a problem with alienated minorities voting based on a group interest inimical to the country as a whole.

[squidly]

Of course it was Hispanic. But on the author’s part, it wasn’t.

[NonValueAdded]

I heard that the "semi-open" quality of the Florida primary consisted in the fact that voters could change their registration at the time they voted, meaning that an independent who wanted to vote for McCain could register as a Republican on primary day and vote as a Republican.

That is an absolutely incorrect statement and if there is any evidence such changes occurred, it should be reported to the authorities ASAP.

[squidly]

Goshdarnit, I meant to say of course it was sarcasm, not of course it was Hispanic.

[Mogollon]

First liberalism, then liberal fascism/socialism including disarmament of the sheeple, then communism.

[rmlew]

And who will look into this? RINO Crist?

[NonValueAdded]

This makes no sense. We know that 17 percent of the voters in the GOP primary identified themselves as Independents.

Here's how that can make sense in a closed-primary state such as Florida. Those self-identifying "independents" registered as Republicans 30 days or more ahead of the primary. For that matter, Democrats could change their party affiliation to Republican as well, as long as it was done 30 or more days ahead. Now they can either go back to being registered RATS or drop their party affiliation.

I believe that was part of the strategy once it was clear that Florida's RAT delegates wouldn't be seated to cross over to select the weakest republican. That had to be done back in December and when Hillary suddenly wanted to put the state in play, it was too late to switch back to get a RAT ballot and vote for Obama or the Silky Pony.

[EyeGuy]

“However, i have a problem with alienated minorities voting based on a group interest inimical to the country as a whole.”

I have a problem with minorites feeling “alienated” in this the land of historically unprecedented EQUAL opportunity.

Heck I have a problem with the whole concept of “minorities”; at root a divisive term that falsely implies an ungoing, societal bias toward white success at their expense.

[EyeGuy]

ungoing =ongoing

[I still care]

Rush said that in certain districts independents were told they couldn’t vote until they declared a party. Several Democratic leaning ones gave interviews they asked for a Republican ballot and voted McCain.

Now I wonder where that directive came from. People, the fix is in. The PTB (powers that be) in the Republican party have decided this is the year to wrest control from those neanderthal conservatives.

[zebrahead]

McCain’s ability to get Hispanic votes is a major factor in his favor, at least in terms of electability. McCain’s position on amnesty will keep the GOP from getting less than 20% of the Hispanic vote. Bush got 44% in 2004 and currently only 16% of Hispanics support the GOP. McCain will get between 25-35% of the Hispanic vote. He’ll also do better among Independents than Bush ever did. For proof, see every McCain election since he’s run for office.

McCain’s whole bet is that conservatives will fear another Clinton co-presidency so badly that they’ll have no choice but to go with him. Everyone knows that some Republicans will sit it out. Only a small percentage would actually vote FOR Clinton.

[RedRepublic]

“McCain won because of the votes of non-Republicans and Hispanics”

That’s how the Wall Street Journal put out this morning.
I just hope that other states will prevent libs and so called “independents” to come vote in GOP race.

I can’t stand McCain’s claim that he’s real conservative.

[burzum]

This story is idiotic. Even the smallest amount of research would allow the writers to know that the Hispanics in Florida are mostly Cubans not Mexicans. All this open borders crap is irrelevant. Here is what is relevant: what has Romney said about how he wants to handle Cuba? McCain has been concrete and has vocally pushed for prosecution against Raul Castro for the 1996 shootdown of the Hermanos al Rescate planes which resonates very strongly with Cuban exiles. Romney just gives generalities. McCain has been supporting Cuban exiles in Congress for years. Romney just discovered them this year when he had to run for election in Florida and then decided to group them into a comprehensive Latin American Policy Group (basically equating their legitimate struggles against communism with those of illegal Mexicans in the country).

Conservative Hispanics in Florida voted for McCain because the Romney campaign completely ignored them. Romney could have won them if he would have paid attention. He didn’t and lost.

[scrabblehack]

A caller to Rush (who claimed to be a Florida poll worker) said that any party switches had to be made 30 days in advance of the election. Apparently poll workers were either not trained on the law or deliberately disobeying it.

[Azzurri]

Rush said that in certain districts independents were told they couldn’t vote until they declared a party. Several Democratic leaning ones gave interviews they asked for a Republican ballot and voted McCain. Now I wonder where that directive came from. People, the fix is in. The PTB (powers that be) in the Republican party have decided this is the year to wrest control from those neanderthal conservatives.

I don't think it was a conspiracy, I just think the Republican PTB are just dumb. They get duped by the corrupt local Democrats time and time again. Republican poll watchers and workers are usually well-meaning blue-haired old ladies whereas Democrats hire shady lawyers and union types to do their poll watching.

[rmlew]

In other words, to get the Hispanic vote, the GOP must stop being conservative.

Lets legalise 20+ million aliens inimical to conservatism and just kill our traditions and liberty!

[rmlew]

I think that amnesty Mel Martinez’s endorsement helped too.

[mission9]

I have reported these voting irregularities directly to the appropriate people in the Romney Campaign, and told them unequivocally that they should take legal action, or they do not have the balls to lead the free world. Nice guys finish last.

[chicagolady]

The Illegal aliens should NOT be allowed to vote!!

[zebrahead]

I’m talking about what I think will happen, not what I want to happen. McCain has electability. It’s one of the major factors in his favor. He’s the only Republican who can win this election, in my opinion. I’m trying to call it like I see it. The hard-line conservative stance on immigration is a losing election issue, not just now but in the future as well. That doesn’t mean it isn’t the right course of action or that it can’t or shouldn’t be done. But if you look at demographic trends in the West and Southwest, the GOP absolutely must not let Hispanics go the way of blacks. State after state has doubled or tripled their populations of Hispanics in the past couple of decades. The GOP would be the party of the South and some of the Midwest and nothing else.

[jbp1]

17% of 21% of 2million GOP votes = 70,000. mcain won by more.......

so

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Horse droppings.

[rmlew]

Lawrence Auster responds:

The answer suggested is that independents registered properly as Republicans more than 29 days before the primary solely for the purpose of voting in the Republican primary. The problem with this theory is that that involves a huge number of non-Republicans deciding more than a month in advance of the primary that they wanted to vote in the Republican primary and taking the trouble to go into their polling place and change their registration to Republican. And presumably now they are going to have to take an extra trip back to their poling place to change their registration back to Independent. Why would such a huge humber of people — 17 percent of the voters in the primary — have that kind of motivation?

The poster, "NonValueAdded," suggests that this was a Democratic plot. Since the Democratic voters' votes would mean nothing in the Democratic primary (because the National Democratic Committee had punished Florida for moving its primary by taking away their convention votes), the Democrats decided to use their votes to vote for the most liberal Republican candidate. But the exit poll, as I remember, did not say anything about Democrats voting in the Republican primary. It only mentioned "unaffiliated" people voting in the Republican primary. And in any case, the Democratic cross-over theory would not explain the 17 percent Independent figure. The theory might explain a huge Democratic cross-over to the Republican primary; it would not explain a huge Independent cross-over to the Republican primary.

The whole thing remains a mystery. The media's failure to explain this obvious huge anomaly of Independents voting in the "closed" Republican primary is also a mystery. None of these media people with their six figure salaries notice the most obvious questions crying out to be answered.

[rmlew]

Hispanics do not vote as a group generally. However, for the past decade they have been solidly Democrat except when a MINORITY voted for El Jefe Arbusto.
The damage has been done. It will take generations to Americanize them. The solution of Bush and McCain, amnesty and multiculturalism will only delay this Americanization, while also increasing the numbers. That is suicide. It is a devils bargain to gain a few short-term votes at the cost of millions of Democrat voters.

[Tamar1973]

I think if McCain wins the GOP nod, the democrat nominee will automatically win. A choice between a RINO and a real liberal?! People will chose the real liberal every time.

[Roccus]

“I just hope that other states will prevent libs and so called “independents” to come vote in GOP race.”
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States have no say in who votes in the primaries. The state parties make the rules.

[paltz]

http://www.srqelections.com/downloads/webappform.pdf

According to the FLA application residents have to be registered 29 days in advanced and show photo ID

[paltz]

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[malia]

any illegals included...

[pallis]

In part, the Cuban voters in Florida are an anomaly that makes the ratio of Hispanic Democrat voters to Hispanic Republican voters seem less monolithic than it is nation wide. That will change as Florida’s Mexican and Central American population grows. It is a win,win situation for Democrats. Republicans will have to do more than embrace amnesty and open borders to shift the tide. They will have to champion Hispanics as the favored minority, and redistribute more of Americas wealth towards Hispanic causes and people. The silly dream that some Republicans seem to have is that Democrats will have the black minority and Republicans will have Hispanics. The growing Hispanic population will always favor liberal politicians, and the Republican Party will have to reflect that if it wants to get and hold more then 30 percent of Hispanic voters. That said, maybe McCain is the future of the Republican Party, but it is a sorry future for conservatives.

[Free Vulcan]

And, the Democrat contests were on different days in SC and FL. When they were the same nite in MI Romney won. NH as we know allows everyone to vote any way they want.

Hard not to have a tinfoil hat sometimes.

[norton]

"Heck I have a problem with the whole concept of “minorities”; at root a divisive term that falsely implies an ungoing, societal bias toward white success at their expense."

IIRC, in the late thirties the two main minorities in the USA were British and German....

Sounds like the good old days.

[Paleo Conservative]

What is the applicable law in Florida about party registration? Are voters allowed to change their registraton on election day?

In Texas all primaries are open, but once you vote in a party primary, you can't vote in another party's runoff. Your voter registration card stamped with the name of the party in whose primary you voted. If you vote in a party primary, you can't then sign a petition for an independent to gain ballot access. Also if you are running as a candidate in one party, you aren't allowed to vote in another party's primary. There have actually been Republican candidates who voted in the DemocRAT primary, because there were more races at stake, and the winners of the DemocRAT primary were pretty much guaranteed to win the general election in November.

My parents and lots of other conservative Republicans used to regularly vote in the DemocRAT primary in order to have a say about who gets elected. In 1970, they voted in the DemocRAT primary to vote for Lloyd Bentsen against the incumbent DemocRAT senior Senator Ralph Yarborough. Bentsen did win the 1970 primary, but this backfired since his Republican opponent was George H. W. Bush whom he beat in the general election. Now that Republicans control every statewide office in Texas (thanks to the 1998 Republican sweep when George W. Bush won reelection as Governor with 68% of the vote), there are more people voting in the Republican primary. I personally have never voted in a DemocRAT primary. My theory is that the more that conservatives vote in the Republican primary, the more like the national Democrat party the Texas Democrat primary voters become. They then proceed to vote for candidates who look like national DemocRATS who are fairly easy to beet in the general election.

[EyeGuy]

“IIRC, in the late thirties the two main minorities in the USA were British and German....

Sounds like the good old days.”

Yes, because those minorities sought to assimilate into American culture and did not utilize their minority status as either an instrument of guilt and divisiveness, or as a generations-long excuse for any failure to move ahead.

[jbp1]

i was assuming there were ~2 mil votes cast in gop, so adjust accordingly.....

if 17% were ‘non-gop’ that is 340K

of that, 44% went to mcain, 23% to romney

= ~150K for mcain, ~ 80K for romney

70K more for mcain

and last i saw, mcain was ahead or won by 90K

that’s my bad math, where’s yours?

[jbp1]

and then....... i re-read the headline

okay, not bad math, bad reading

80-ft wall, no anchor baby, and rollback immigr law to pre 1960

problem solved

[Califreak]

But I thought it was the conservative base that was rallying to his side?

I’m so confused....

Is the maverick beloved by one and all?

[paltz]

bump!