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NY: Museums, re-enactors worry over plan to regulate antique firearms
Newsday ^ | 2/1/08 | WILLIAM KATES

Posted on 02/02/2008 9:00:20 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

A New York City lawmaker's plan to regulate antique firearms like other weapons could have severe economic repercussions for museums and historical societies around the state and prevent hundreds of living history events and re-enactments staged every year.

If passed in its current form, the proposal by Democratic Assemblyman Michael Gianaris of Queens would make the state the first in the country to require owners of antique guns, black powder weapons and muzzleloading firearms to go through a background check and purchase a license, said Ralph Walker, a legislative specialist with the National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guns; history; museum; newyork; ny; nyc; reenactments; relics; secondamendment

1 posted on 02/02/2008 9:00:25 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

—anyone who thinks the anti-gun movement is beaten needs to wake up—


2 posted on 02/02/2008 9:03:36 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: kiriath_jearim

There are just some states not worth fighting in. Let those liberal bastions live in their happy world. Get out now.


3 posted on 02/02/2008 9:08:12 AM PST by George from New England (A tax cap should work both ways)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The function of government is to govern. No matter how benign, it is always “them and us.”


4 posted on 02/02/2008 9:08:27 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is pure, unadulterated political oppression. There is no rational basis for this legislation beyond the likelihood that it would impact a demographic that doesn’t share the political views of the law’s sponsor.


5 posted on 02/02/2008 9:13:18 AM PST by Spok
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yeah. Because SO many Bloods are rollin’ around blasting Minie balls in Crips’ asses. Please.

}:-)4


6 posted on 02/02/2008 9:15:32 AM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

His father was before him; the two bozos combined make hillary look like barry goldwater. This guy when he was a kid, instead of a gijoe his father gave him a Ted Kennedy doll to play with (Oldsmobile optional, of course).


7 posted on 02/02/2008 9:17:33 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: kiriath_jearim
'the proposal by Democratic Assemblyman Michael Gianaris of Queens would make the state the first in the country to require owners of antique guns, black powder weapons and muzzleloading firearms to go through a background check and purchase a license'

Move to England, where they embrace and nurture authoritarian jackboots just like you, you dictatorial wharf thug.


8 posted on 02/02/2008 9:18:07 AM PST by Viking2002 (Waterboarding the Left every chance I get.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

More Big Sh*tty liberalism showing its hate of the 2nd Amendment.


9 posted on 02/02/2008 9:18:12 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Another step toward confiscation.


10 posted on 02/02/2008 9:23:35 AM PST by The Mayor ( A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.—Proverbs 16:9)
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To: Spok
"This is pure, unadulterated political oppression. "

Government expands to fill every part of the space available and puts extreme pressure on its boundaries.

This is not a theory. It's a physical law.

11 posted on 02/02/2008 9:44:53 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: kiriath_jearim
"From my cold dead hands......"


12 posted on 02/02/2008 9:53:42 AM PST by Dumpster Baby (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Cold Dead Hand
13 posted on 02/02/2008 9:58:12 AM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Just the other day a guy walked into a liquor store near closing time in Chicago and robbed it with a musket. After shooting and missing the clerk, he turned to reloaded. Fortunately, the clerk had turned out the lights, locked up, and was at home by the time the alleged robber cold fire a second shot off. :)


14 posted on 02/02/2008 9:59:46 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: rellimpank
If passed in its current form, the proposal by Democratic Assemblyman Michael Gianaris of Queens would make the state the first in the country to require owners of antique guns, black powder weapons and muzzleloading firearms to go through a background check and purchase a license,

So much for their own argument that the Second Amendment only applies to those weapons in existence at the time of the founding.

Don't worry, Michigan cities are banning airsoft "weapons" because fools paint the yellow/orange muzzles black, making them look fairly real. However, that's a self-correcting problem. You do not brandish a plastic replica, no matter how authentic, without running the risk of being blown away by someone carrying a real weapon, and knowing how to use it.

15 posted on 02/02/2008 10:08:13 AM PST by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Gianaris-—What an insane idiot! absolutely no historical perspective - just dumb sheep-like behavior.


16 posted on 02/02/2008 10:09:13 AM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: rellimpank
—anyone who thinks the anti-gun movement is beaten needs to wake up—

What gave you that idea? They stifled themselves in the fall of 2006 to take Congress from the GOP, but that was the exception. Just look at Bloomberg and his campaign against "illegal guns." Look at the banglist. Gun grabbers, mostly utopian donkeys and scheming RINOs, are quite active across the country.

Conservatives are often called reactionaries, but the gun grabbers truly epitomize what it means to be reactionary. They have been going strong - with only a few setbacks along the way since the late 1960s - without any evidence that gun control reduces crime.

Find the latest "if it bleeds, it leads," story. Just wait for the reaction. To get a vote, they must emote. It's sick. It's fear mongering at its most base.

17 posted on 02/02/2008 10:18:48 AM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

If this crap is going on, they DESERVE it because THEY elected these dimwits to power . Time to take back the country and why not start with Zoo York .


18 posted on 02/02/2008 11:00:27 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: 300winmag

“Don’t worry, Michigan cities are banning airsoft “weapons” because fools paint the yellow/orange muzzles black, making them look fairly real. However, that’s a self-correcting problem. You do not brandish a plastic replica, no matter how authentic, without running the risk of being blown away by someone carrying a real weapon, and knowing how to use it.”

Zoo Jersey is trying to pass legislation to classify “ airsoft “ as a FIREARM which means you have to go through all the bullshit background checks to purchase one .


19 posted on 02/02/2008 11:03:58 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I’d recommend the book “Enemies Foreign and Domestic” to anyone who has not yet read it.


20 posted on 02/02/2008 11:19:42 AM PST by VR-21
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is so sad.

I did some re-enacting in New York a while ago. That night, around the campfire in our civil war wool, the topic turned to guns. Me and my buddy from Maine jabbered about going out and shooting all kinds of guns in the woods and fields around where we lived.

The guys from New York grumbled about how hard it is to get guns, there’s hardly anywhere to shoot anymore and how there are many types of guns that they can’t even get.

A guy from New Jersey then mumbled about how it was even HARDER to get guns there. He almost drooled when we talked about shooting AR-15 and AK-47 clones.

We told him to come up to Maine to visit sometime, and we’d take him out and have a good time.

The next day the fellow from New jersey is sitting on a camp stool in front of his tent with a little .36 caliber cap-and-ball revolver on a table in front of him.

“Nice gun.” I say.

He looks at me, and then he looks at his little black-power pistol.

“Yeah, but I can’t shoot it” he says.

God, I thought it was about the saddest thing I had ever heard from a grown man.


21 posted on 02/02/2008 11:26:36 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: All

NYS Assembly 2177 31st St Ste 107 Astoria, NY 11105-2670, District Phone: (718)545-3889 Albany Phone: (518)455-5014


22 posted on 02/02/2008 11:42:55 AM PST by AliVeritas (The Christian satan warned you about.)
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To: Fido969

LO

Gotta stop that ‘80 tech assault weapaon ownership.

Ah, 1780s that is.

I cannot a free man wishing to live in such a place....


23 posted on 02/02/2008 12:06:36 PM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


24 posted on 02/02/2008 12:15:00 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Moose4

Yeah, let me know when someone robs a convenience store with a sawed-off muzzleloader.


25 posted on 02/02/2008 12:17:29 PM PST by July 4th
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To: George from New England

There are just some states not worth fighting in. Let those liberal bastions live in their happy world.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Sounds good, but in reality when they finish ‘screwing’ up a city/county/state they move on after it is unfixable and we are stuck with the results...


26 posted on 02/02/2008 12:25:53 PM PST by xrmusn
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To: kiriath_jearim

bump


27 posted on 02/02/2008 12:42:01 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: kiriath_jearim

Let’s make sure that we not only get the flintlocks covered, but there might be some matchlock muzzle loaders from the 15th century floating around. Don’t forget the blunderbusses either. There may be one or two of those out there. We have to make sure that no gang banger gets his hands on a blunderbuss.

I could not live in a state that has this type of idiocy. This congressman says that they need it because some cop got shot with a muzzle loader last year. How many cops got crashed into by a car? I’ll bet at least one. I think we need to have a six month waiting period, finger prints etc... to get a car next...


28 posted on 02/02/2008 12:48:54 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: kiriath_jearim
And just where are all the anti-gun organizations who have claimed that they are not interested in controlling guns like these?

***crickets***

29 posted on 02/02/2008 12:53:33 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

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30 posted on 02/02/2008 1:37:06 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: kiriath_jearim

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31 posted on 02/02/2008 2:06:45 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

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32 posted on 02/02/2008 3:18:44 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Let’s make sure that we not only get the flintlocks covered, but there might be some matchlock muzzle loaders from the 15th century floating around.

And bows and arrows and large kitchen knives.

If you think I'm kidding, look at what is happening on the British Isles.

33 posted on 02/02/2008 4:05:55 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: kiriath_jearim

How to control out of control gun-grabbers ?..by Recall

Here is an article
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0565.htm

October 9, 2007
2007-R-0565

STATE STATUTES ON RECALL AND ETHICS TRAINING
OF LOCAL OFFICIALS
By: Sandra Norman-Eady, Chief Attorney

You asked how many states (1) have recall provisions and (2) require their state ethics commission to train local officials.

SUMMARY

Recall is a procedure that allows citizens to remove elected officials before the end of their terms. Nineteen states currently permit recall of state officials. Although recall procedures vary by state, 18 states with such procedures hold recall elections and require a specified number of voters to sign the election petition before the election can be held. Virginia allows for a recall trial rather than an election. Seven of the 18 states that hold recall elections require specific grounds to recall an official, such as misconduct, incompetence, conviction of a crime, or violation of the oath of office.

Most state ethics commissions have jurisdiction over state officials and employees only. However in some states they also have jurisdiction over local officials and employees. We found four states, Alabama, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia, that require or allow their state ethics commission to train local officials or otherwise give local agencies ethics manuals and guides.

RECALL PROVISIONS IN OTHER STATES

According to a 2006 report by the National Conference of State Legislatures, 18 states currently permit recall of state officials: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin. In addition, the District of Columbia provides for recalls, and Virginia has a process allowing for a recall trial, rather than a recall election. While most states providing for recall elections allow voters to commence the recall process for a broad range of reasons, Alaska, Georgia, Kansas, Minnesota, Montana, Rhode Island, and Washington require specific grounds to recall an official, as shown in Table 1.


34 posted on 02/02/2008 5:31:46 PM PST by billmor
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To: billmor

Notice that NY State does not have Recall...Nor does it have Initiative or Referendum...Always thought that was curious for one of the original colonies, and the fact that in over 400 years no one there has been able to add these items to the NY State Constitution..


35 posted on 02/02/2008 5:34:17 PM PST by billmor
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To: VR-21

...written by FR’s own Travis McGee.


36 posted on 02/04/2008 7:48:46 AM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: xrmusn
we are stuck with the results...

Get out.

I did.
The freedom in GA is palatable.
Legal, requiring only a little federal (not state) paperwork:

Funny, NY residents fuss over "home invasions" ... GA residents don't.

37 posted on 02/04/2008 7:54:27 AM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The Right to Keep and Bear Permits After An Acceptable Waiting Period and Screening Process after Submitting detailed Photographic and Fingerprint records for Federal Background Checks and then maybe afterward Being Able to Have Antique or Curio Firearms Shall Not Be Infringed, so long as you’re in a militia.

Thing is, I swear that states have been down this road before and been trumped by federal legislation.

38 posted on 02/05/2008 11:20:07 AM PST by kingu (We failed to quash Huck McRomney and gosh, that's exactly who's left.)
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To: kingu

Can you get a deck of playing cards with gun grabbers on it?


39 posted on 02/06/2008 6:47:15 AM PST by sean_og (--... ...--)
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