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1 posted on 02/02/2008 8:52:31 PM PST by Fargo Rock
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If McCain is so great on the war, why did he and Lindsey Grahamnesty spend so much time and effort to implant the lie that the US tortures people? Why would McCain want to give terrorists constitutional rights, bring them to the US and give them access to the US Courts, something that has never been done by any power in history, much less by the American government? Why does McCain want to turn American into some hybrid Mexamerica? Why does McCain absolutely hate Americans, who would like the border secured? After all terrorists, criminal gangs and everyday criminals have the McCain welcome mat at the border.

If McCain is a conservative, what exactly does he want to conserve? I'm curious. He wants to radically transform this country into something else, and that something else is something that Ted "Mr Immigration Reform" Kennedy totally agrees with. And I'm supposed to vote for that?

223 posted on 02/03/2008 1:27:07 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Fargo Rock
I will vote for a Conservative, which I have been assured by many here, is a de facto vote for Hillary, since none of the top candidates (Romney, McCain, Huckabee, Clinton, Obama) are conservatives.

If I were to vote for a liberal, it might as well be a Democrat.

Before shouting cries of "Heretic!" and calling for my banishment, please take a moment to read the logic behind that.

First, on the issues which matter to me, Abortion, the Border, Guns, Marriage, National Defense (as opposed to 'world policeman'), trade, the economy, taxes, none of the candidates have a decent track record.

If I could vote for none of the above and make everyone go back and pick a different roster, I would.

Second, I am of the firm opinion that they will really make a (liberal) mess of things.

Third, I would just as soon have that liberal mess blamed on a Democrat, maybe it will help the Republican Party consolidate its feces.

Fourth, the Republicans in Congress are far more likely to resist Democrat attempts to impose the liberal agenda from the office of POTUS than they are to resist Republican attempts to impose the liberal agenda from the White House. The Democratic liberals in Congress surely will not resist the imposition of that agenda, even though they will argue to take it a couple steps farther than they might ordinarily, in the interest of 'bipartizanship' or some such.

Sometimes, gridlock is a good thing, and it will be all that can save this country should one of the above mentioned 5 candidates be sworn in as president.

Now, have a nice day, I'm back to picking out rifles and packing them in cosmoline...

225 posted on 02/03/2008 1:33:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Fargo Rock

I didn’t read every reply to this, but I think I can answer this one for myself - it’s all about McAmnesty.

Less than a year after the last version of the bill was shelved, here goes the co-author of the bill getting the GOP nomination. His and Kennedy’s amnesty bill is the biggest reason of all that the GOP lost Congress narrowly. It’s a wedge issue that rips across ideology and transcends racial and economic barriers. It makes perfect sense for a democrat to be for amnesty - millions of votes for their party for a hundred years. But the GOP, RINOs want it for big business/cheap labor at the expense of their existing political base - it’s suicidal.


226 posted on 02/03/2008 2:06:21 AM PST by Baladas
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McCain/Hagel'08
Because They Deserve Each Other
233 posted on 02/03/2008 4:38:41 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (McCain/Hagel'08 - Because they deserve each other.)
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“That’s what will happen if people decide to either stay home or vote for Hillary in some kind of misguided moral protest.”

I disagree with your contention that conservatives staying home or even voting for Hillary would be misguided. The days of the two party system are gone. We are now entering an era of the Balkanization of the American political landscape. There will be four parties, perhaps more. The Republican party will represent those of center-right, the Democrat party will represent those of the center left, a new conservative party will represent those of the right/far right, and there will be a party to represent the socialist, greenie, elitists on the left/far left. There may be other parties as well. In the future, there will be temporary coalitions of convenience put together by these various parties so to win elections, something akin to the European parliamentary model. A sad situation for sure...

236 posted on 02/03/2008 5:24:10 AM PST by snoringbear (')
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McCain will push policies harmful to our country - global warming, campaign control, gun control, etc. - and republicans in congress will back the president - McCain - as will democrats because these policies will be liberal ones.

We will see both parties working hand-in-hand to destroy the republic. McCain would see no meaningful opposition to his nutty ideas except at the grassroots, which he will ignore.

Congressional republicans simply don’t have the guts to oppose bad ideas from a republican president.

McCain needs to be shown the door in the primary.


237 posted on 02/03/2008 6:22:58 AM PST by sergeantdave (The majority of Michigan voters are that stupid and the condition is incipient and growing.)
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But why are people like Ann Coulter, Tammy Bruce, Michelle Malkin

They are wimmin.

They think Mitt is cute -- yes, even Tammy, which just shows the power of the mojo of the Mormon matador

They are mad at McCain for picking on him.

hee hee hee hee

241 posted on 02/03/2008 7:42:59 AM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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I have spent some time in the rough and tumble world of business and have learned a few lessons.

You are hiring an executive and you have the following choices: a crook, a well meaning incompetent, or an loose cannon.

Take the crook. He will Steal half of the profits but he will leave some for the company so that he can continue stealing in the future.

The incompetent will slowly destroy the business.

The loose cannon will destroy the business quickly.

Hillary is the crook, Obama is the incompetent, and McCain is the loose cannon.

242 posted on 02/03/2008 7:59:46 AM PST by oldbrowser (100% margin of error.)
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Is this one of them, “Vote for my liberal over their liberal” threads?


248 posted on 02/03/2008 8:53:58 AM PST by Grunthor (Republicans for McAmnesty suffer from Battered Base Syndrome..."BUT HE LOVES ME!")
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Because there is no guarantee McCain won’t hold hands with those across the isle and agree to compromise even about the war and the troops. I don’t trust him. He’s double crossed too many times.


254 posted on 02/03/2008 9:01:38 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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According to a genuine conservative, former Senator Rick Santorum (R - PA), John McCain impeded conservative initiatives in the Senate at nearly every opportunity.

How on earth did the Republican party end up with a front-runner who.....

1. Wanted to be John F’n Kerry’s running mate??....
2. Was a corrupt member of the “Keating Five”?....
3. Has been duped by the Euro-socialist “global warming” alarmists?....
4. Wants to roll out the red carpet for the illegal alien hordes?....
5. Was one of two senators (along with the ignoble Lincoln Chafee) who joined the Democrats in voting against the Bush tax cuts?....
6. Proudly put his name to the most dangerous assault on free speech (”McCain-Feingold”) in the nation’s history?....
7. Opposes the effective interrogation technique known as “waterboarding”, and wants to close Gitmo so he can bring captured terrorists to the United States, lawyer them up, and give them access to the courts?....
8. Joins the environmental extremists in opposing drilling for oil in a relatively miniscule section of the frozen, barren, wasteland known as ANWR?....
9. Is older than Bob Dole was when Dole ran for President in 1996, and who would be the oldest man in history to try to win the Presidency as a major party candidate?

Somebody wake me up in 2012 if America is still around.
God help us.


257 posted on 02/03/2008 9:07:08 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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"But why are people like Ann Coulter, Tammy Bruce, Michelle Malkin and many here ready to hand over control of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the future of the War on Terror, and the care of our troops to Hillary Clinton? "

They are part of the "me, me, me" generation and it's coming to light.

"Don't our troops deserve better than that?"

Yes they do and come hell or high water I will vote in a Commander in Chief that will look out after our brave, dedicated, and honorable US Armed Forces. I will NOT abandon them on the battlefield to be slaughtered by Marxist-Communist America-loathing Democrats.

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263 posted on 02/03/2008 12:49:05 PM PST by avacado
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Yet another vanity by someone here less than a year. And a worthless topic, at that.


265 posted on 02/03/2008 12:52:41 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Fargo Rock

You dont win by losing.


272 posted on 02/03/2008 8:09:57 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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I understand your question.

My husband was in the Army during Clinton’s presidency. It was a shared joke among the soldiers- “Have duct tape, will travel”. It wasn’t funny- it was scary, but they struggled through. Our soldiers have survived bad leaders before- Carter comes to mind...They, and WE will survive Hillary, Obama or McCain. But here is the point: Any of these three will do damage that will be the same, no matter which one wins. I, personally, would rather they were blaming a demonRAT than a republican.


273 posted on 02/03/2008 8:16:37 PM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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Not buying it. I bit on the “elect Republicans so President Bush can appoint Conservative judges” line.

Not biting on the hillary boogerman/woman. If the Republicans are/were so afraid of her being elected they would have fielded an opponent that could defeat her.

Instesd, they with the msm’s help are behind the only Republican whose nomination will gurantee a Hillary win come November.

Whether one votes for Mc Cain or stays home does not matter. Either way the Democrats benefit.


274 posted on 02/03/2008 8:17:04 PM PST by sport
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I’m not voting for Hillary nor will I sit out. However, I am leaning towards voting libertarian or writing in a candidate. I will have a very very difficult time even trying to talk myself into voting for McCain.


291 posted on 02/05/2008 10:09:34 PM PST by TennTuxedo
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But why are people like Ann Coulter, Tammy Bruce, Michelle Malkin and many here ready to hand over control of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

Maybe because McCain is ready to hand over this entire country to the Third World hordes through unchecked illegal immigration and amnesty.

If you're really concerned about the troops, then think how unseemly it would be for President McCain to ask them to die for their country overseas, while he's busy giving their country away at home.

301 posted on 02/06/2008 9:46:44 AM PST by kevao
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Because John McCain is a traitor to his party and I question his mental stability. He is representative of the Rockefeller Republican liberal wing of the Northeast. If he succeeds and beats her, you can kiss good-by to the GOP as a future realistic alternative to the Dems.

Thanks to the checks and balances in the Constitution - the little of it left - Hillary will have a difficult time creating too much damage. Her own party will retrain her and there are still Republicans in Congress. My guess is she will screw things up so badly that by Midterms in 2010, the Repubs can make a comeback IF THEY OFFER A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO HER PROGRAMS. That would set the stage for a conservative Republican in 2012.

If John McCain loses, we don’t lose - the RINOS lose. WE win in the long run. Remember Gerald Ford and Jimmy the Peanut Planter? History will repeat itself.


302 posted on 02/06/2008 9:47:31 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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Because John McCain is a traitor to his party and I question his mental stability. He is representative of the Rockefeller Republican liberal wing of the Northeast. If he succeeds and beats her, you can kiss good-by to the GOP as a future realistic alternative to the Dems.

Thanks to the checks and balances in the Constitution - the little of it left - Hillary will have a difficult time creating too much damage. Her own party will restrain her and there are still Republicans in Congress. My guess is she will screw things up so badly that by Midterms in 2010, the Repubs can make a comeback IF THEY OFFER A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO HER PROGRAMS. That would set the stage for a conservative Republican in 2012.

If John McCain loses, we don’t lose - the RINOS lose. WE win in the long run. Remember Gerald Ford and Jimmy the Peanut Planter? History will repeat itself.

303 posted on 02/06/2008 9:47:56 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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