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Idahna, Oregon buried in snow; Mayor asks for emergency help
kgw.com Northwest News Channel 8 ^ | 01:11 PM PST on Sunday, February 3, 2008 | KGW and kgw.com Staff

Posted on 02/04/2008 4:42:28 AM PST by justa-hairyape

In Idahna, Ore., there is so much snow, residents' roofs are starting to collapse. The mayor has requested that Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski declare the area a state of emergency and send help.

Eighteen inches of snow fell in the last 24 hours on top to 6 feet of snow already there, Idahna Mayor Karen Clark said Sunday.

There is literally nowhere to put the snow.

"We have buildings with snow on them in danger of collapsing. Snow around doors in danger of bursting, some homes have already sustained damage," Clark said.

The town does not have the resources to deal with so much snow, according to the mayor.

Oregon State Corrections sent inmates in to help, but they need heavy equipment to get the snow off of road ways and homes.

“We are out of room and snow plowing money so are in danger of having to suspend snow plowing of the streets. Our citizens have now become in imminent danger as a result. We are also concerned about the citizens of Marion County that are out of our city limits and we are unable to help," Clark said.

"We are asking the Governor of Oregon for an immediate Declaration of State of Emergency and the National Guard to come in with heavy equipment.”


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KEYWORDS: globalcooling; globalwarming; oregon; snow; snowstorm; winter
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Looks like China is not the only one with problems. The US Pacific Northwest is beginning to structurally fail under an immense and never ending snowfall.

1 posted on 02/04/2008 4:42:30 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

They should call the people in Valdez, Alaska and ask them for suggestions.

Average Annual Snowfall (in city): 325.6 inches
Average Snowfall in Thompson Pass: over 600 inches
Record Snowfall (in city): 556.7 inches (1989/90)
Record Snowfall in Thompson Pass: over 900 inches

http://www.valdezalaska.org/history/history.html


2 posted on 02/04/2008 4:46:30 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: justa-hairyape

Call the moonbats and Al Goron for help!
Politicians who are repeating the global warming mantra these last years should be regarded as laughable opportunist clowns


3 posted on 02/04/2008 4:47:47 AM PST by Ulysse (O)
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To: justa-hairyape

where are those “water shortage grips western states” articles from last week?


4 posted on 02/04/2008 4:48:11 AM PST by babble-on
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To: thackney
Where I went to college, Houghton Michigan, we got over 200 inches. We built an igloo outside the college dorm. Hey, when you are young and dumb, anything is possible. Unfortunately, some of these trapped people seriously need help.
5 posted on 02/04/2008 4:48:52 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: thackney

68 deg at 6:50 AM here in Dallas


6 posted on 02/04/2008 4:50:36 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
68 deg at 6:50 AM here in Dallas

Lucky dogs. You all might hit 70 to 80 today. The Southeast has gotten off relatively easy this winter compared to what the West and North Central has had to endure. That is typical of a La Nina.

7 posted on 02/04/2008 4:53:36 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Feel for the people of Oregon - like the people of China. Snow is not funny when it comes like this.

Hope we can mobilize the help the people of Oregon need now asap.


8 posted on 02/04/2008 4:54:05 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Hope we can mobilize the help the people of Oregon need now asap.

The problem is getting to them. If they stop plowing the streets, these people may get isolated for weeks. How do you drop supplies when the house and yard are buried under snow ?

9 posted on 02/04/2008 4:59:15 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: thackney

In Alaska, houses are constructed to deal with lots of snow falling on them, probably with high, greatly-sloping roofs so the snow slides off. Builders in oregon were not planning on snowfalls this heavy


10 posted on 02/04/2008 4:59:22 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: justa-hairyape

Supposed to hit 75.

Hope we get a cool summer


11 posted on 02/04/2008 4:59:25 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: justa-hairyape
Never Fear!
Al Gore is here!

12 posted on 02/04/2008 5:01:26 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Supposed to be in the mid-50’s in New York on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Expect global warming stories from the media because they’re hot.


13 posted on 02/04/2008 5:01:36 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Beowulf; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion

Beam me to Planet Gore !

14 posted on 02/04/2008 5:01:46 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Supposed to be in the mid-50’s in New York on Tuesday and Wednesday.

The Pacific has cooled first (La Nina), the Atlantic is still warm to mild. That may not be the case next winter. So enjoy it while it lasts.

15 posted on 02/04/2008 5:05:22 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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16 posted on 02/04/2008 5:06:23 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: justa-hairyape

Could they scoop up the snow and put it in dumptrucks to truck to some field somewhere and dump?

Surely somebody in this country has answers, though the biggest answer would be a huge warming trend ....and fast/

Will pray for Oregonians as have been praying for the people of China. God help them - and soon!


17 posted on 02/04/2008 5:07:17 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: justa-hairyape; All

I saw watching video from Detroit, Oregon this weekend. Noticed people having trouble with too much snow on their roofs.

Why do they build homes in these snow areas with such a flat pitch?


18 posted on 02/04/2008 5:13:00 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Could they scoop up the snow and put it in dumptrucks to truck to some field somewhere and dump?

Yes, but...

“We are out of room and snow plowing money so are in danger of having to suspend snow plowing of the streets.

19 posted on 02/04/2008 5:14:02 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Surely somebody in this country has answers, though the biggest answer would be a huge warming trend ....and fast/

Unfortunately, not gonna happen. A new Arctic blast starts coming down from Western Canada in a couple of days. That mayor sounds frustrated. I am sure he is dealing with a state government agency that is spending most of its time worrying about the theoretical affects of global warming. Perhaps it is time to stop looking at the computer models and time to start looking at the actual climate.

20 posted on 02/04/2008 5:16:32 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: wolfcreek
Why do they build homes in these snow areas with such a flat pitch?

These snow fall levels are so great that drifts form up against the structure and up over the house. Also, I saw images of nice slanted roofs with over 5 feet of snow on them.

21 posted on 02/04/2008 5:18:55 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: thackney

Well - yes - understand the snow plowing problem and the money problem.

But for heaven’s sake - look at the effort put together for Katrina! We will just have to put together, as a nation, an effort for the people of Oregon and get military equipment and manpower and money out there asap.

It’s these kind of emergencies that call for massive help, IMHO. And I am NOT pro-spending taxpayers money for most “emergencies”. But this one, IMHO, requires that kind of help.

Where is that New Orleans General? Oh, yes, he retired and is now on the speaking circuit. Too bad.


22 posted on 02/04/2008 5:20:37 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Maybe the Mayor needs to set up a paypal account where people can donate money to their snow plow funds.
23 posted on 02/04/2008 5:22:25 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Am sure you are right re: the state government agencies. What is the Oregon state government like? Liberal dominated?

Once again, then, President Bush will be blamed if help doesn’t arrive soon.

Hopefully the bureaucratic wonks and wonkettes in the Federal emergency agencies can get off their collective duffs and start getting emergency help to this region - NOW.

America always helps its own who are in distress. I think people just do know understand the magnitude of the damage/danger there now.


24 posted on 02/04/2008 5:23:39 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: justa-hairyape
Are not high pitched roofs less susceptible to collapse?
25 posted on 02/04/2008 5:24:27 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: justa-hairyape

That would be an innovative start.

Maybe appeals need to go out to the major trucking (dump truck) companies nearby for help now - pay later.

People will help if they know how critical is the need!


26 posted on 02/04/2008 5:24:56 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: mylife

13 degress in Reno at 5:26am.


27 posted on 02/04/2008 5:26:19 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Take a look here and decide for yourself how much above normal is the snowfall.

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/site-wygraph.pl?state=ID


28 posted on 02/04/2008 5:26:37 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

They should have a mutual assistance program in place where the resources of other cities and counties can be allocated by the Governor to where they are needed in an emergency. Cities would be reimbursed for the use of their equipment.

The state should have a separate fund for this type of emergency. I don’t know if they do have such a fund. I would suspect that they do not as it is Oregon where many worship at the god of government.

Not meant to impugn Oregon Freepers in any way.


29 posted on 02/04/2008 5:27:22 AM PST by listenhillary ("Oh, they'll rally behind me" Sneered John McCain)
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To: justa-hairyape

You’ll have a good laugh reading this story from last Fridays Seatle Times. With our WA Cascades at over 160% of normal this had to be the bad-timing story of the decade...

SHRINKING SNOWPACK A THREAT TO THE WEST
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004157490_warmwater01.html

Human-caused global warming has been shrinking the snowpack across the mountain ranges of the West for five decades, suggesting the region’s long battle for water will only worsen, according to a computer analysis released Thursday.

As temperatures have increased, more winter precipitation has fallen as rain instead of snow, and the snow is melting sooner, according to the report in the journal Science.

The result is that rivers are flowing faster in the spring, raising the risk of flooding, and slower in the summer, increasing the risk of drought.

“These trends will only intensify over the next few decades,” said Richard Seager, a scientist at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University.

While the decline of the Western snowpack over the past few decades has been documented before, the new study is the most definitive in assigning the blame to human-induced climate change.

The changes will be felt differently in different parts of the West, scientists said.

excerpt


30 posted on 02/04/2008 5:28:22 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
"...look at the effort put together for Katrina! "

I take that as a drama que.

The snow will keep the bodies preserved making identification easier in the Spring.

31 posted on 02/04/2008 5:29:17 AM PST by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: wolfcreek
Are not high pitched roofs less susceptible to collapse?

If they are built right, yes. The problem is you do not get to test the roof with this much weight very often. And any deficiencies (termites, fungis, loose support, rotted wood etc) could cause structural collapse. In the Greater Los Angeles area we can even loose roofs from rain.

32 posted on 02/04/2008 5:30:19 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: thackney

sorry that was about Idaho? Aren’t we talking about Oregon? I am not a resident there. So I certainly don’t know how unusual is this snow coverage - just hearing what others have posted about it. Seems serious to me. The people in China have been suffering similarly. I know if I were buried in snow, I would want help to get me out and/or to get supplies and heat in. This is a time for neighbor (others in the counry) to help neighbor.


33 posted on 02/04/2008 5:31:10 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: justa-hairyape
In the Greater Los Angeles area we can even loose roofs from rain.

You should tighten them down.

34 posted on 02/04/2008 5:31:42 AM PST by listenhillary ("Oh, they'll rally behind me" Sneered John McCain)
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To: Justa
The snow will keep the bodies preserved making identification easier in the Spring.

Actually, the area will experience massive flooding when all this snow melts. If the melt occurs quickly, it will be catastrophic. Not drama, just reality after reading an article talking about that very subject. Will dig up a link for ya.

35 posted on 02/04/2008 5:32:33 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
"Could they scoop up the snow and put it in dumptrucks to truck to some field somewhere and dump?"

The problem is all kinds of logistics come into play not the least of which is snow plows are designed to move snow to the side. But, when you get that much snow down inside man made canyons (Streets between buildings and houses) you can only move so much snow to the side. Then of course you have to move snow "out" and that requires waaay more man power and worse you got to have someplace to dump it.

Then there is the added problem of cars left behind in those streets some of which no doubt got covered up by snow plows. In the Blizzard of 77-78 here in southern Ohio in our small town of 6000 people we had 20 plus cars totaled when the the National Guard brought in Bulldozers to dig our town out (We were literally cut off for several days because the snow obliterated all the roads in and out of our valley.) The snow removal took several days with most of the time spent Hauling the snow to deserted areas to dump it.

IT happened again to our town circa 1996 but this time the Mayor was a little more savy and early on had our own city workers moving snow out of the streets (They would push it to the intersections and front-end loaders and dump trucks were used to dump the snow in the outlying areas.) The National Guard still had to clear our passes to the highways but it was cleared in less than a day.

The Problem now up there in Oregon is I am sure they are too far behind the curve to move that much snow (I Imagine they would spend days now just getting a path to move snow away from the population centers.) You need many many bulldozers and trucks to get ahead of that curve now.

They are gonna need National Guard and Reserves and possibly active duty Military units to achieve that much snow removal.

I hope they get help soon!

36 posted on 02/04/2008 5:32:51 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: listenhillary

Probably true. Oregonians, like us North Carolinians, suffer at the hands of liberlisimos running the state government. Not a good situation under any circumstances, but especially under crisis circumstances.

Here we have a bad drought situation.

Our local Democratic mayor’s solution? Add a 50% surcharge to citizens’ water bill!!!!

Let’s see, maybe the Governor of Oregon needs to add an emergency tax on heating oil/natural gas so the people of that state will unselfishly sacrifice their warmth for the “good of the people.” Yeah, that’s the answer!


37 posted on 02/04/2008 5:34:25 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: NavyCanDo
Yeah, read that story. It was posted on freerepublic. Very comical timing.
38 posted on 02/04/2008 5:34:44 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: thackney

That red curve is going almost straight up on some of those locations in Orgeon. Used ID=OR.


39 posted on 02/04/2008 5:40:45 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Whoops, this site is better, uses a map for those of us unfamiliar with the names.

http://www.or.nrcs.usda.gov/snow/maps/oregon_sitemap.html

for reference:

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&q=Idanha,+Linn,+Oregon,+United+States&hl=en&cd=1&geocode=0,44.705240,-122.093630&ll=44.789633,-122.379456&spn=0.838175,1.851196&z=9&iwloc=addr&om=0


40 posted on 02/04/2008 5:43:32 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Justa
Snow packs potential for flooding if rains come

Heavy snow in recent days shut down interstates and state highways in Oregon and Washington, closed dozens of schools, stranded snowmobilers and backcountry adventurers and -- maybe most dangerous of all -- established conditions that could lead to significant flooding if the region gets a quick thaw and heavy rain.

41 posted on 02/04/2008 5:43:53 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Mad Dawgg

We had a blizzard here in CT in 78 too and it took the National Guard and huge payloaders to clear us out. We were stuck for 4 days, BUT we didn’t have more snowfall right behind the blizzard.

When my brother lived in upstate NY, he said they had to do that weekly. Load up the dump trucks with the payloaders and toss it all in the finger lakes.

These people are in for a tough haul.


42 posted on 02/04/2008 5:45:05 AM PST by Betis70
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To: justa-hairyape

Are the ones in the area significantly above normal yearly snowfalls?


43 posted on 02/04/2008 5:46:06 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: justa-hairyape
KGW has the town spelled wrong. It is Idanha not Idahna. I tried it in google maps and it said it couldn't find Idahna and suggested Idanha.
44 posted on 02/04/2008 5:47:10 AM PST by Betis70
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To: Mad Dawgg

Yes, agreed - it will take much help from the military asap to make any inroads in this situation - which appears to be a real disaster in the making right now.

Surely, we as a country can get these emergency actions going!


45 posted on 02/04/2008 5:47:24 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: thackney

Took a look at Marion Forks. When the snow depth gets over 100 inches, the number shows up as -99.9 . Marion Forks is near Detroit which has 13 feet of snow.


46 posted on 02/04/2008 5:52:35 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: thackney
The total precipitation on your first link was a red line. On some of the Oregon locations, it is heading almost straight up vertically the past week or two. All of them had crossed over the normal precipitation line. The way radars have been showing the snow in the Pacific Northwest the past weeks, anywhere starting from the cascade range to the east was getting slammed. Detroit Oregon is on the west side of the Cascades and has 13 feet. The west side of the range usually gets most of the precipitation as it comes in off the ocean.
47 posted on 02/04/2008 5:58:18 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/wygraph.pl?stationidname=21E04S-MARION+FORKS&state=OR

It does not look significantly higher than normal.

Higher for this time of year, but lower than normal for the whole year. Why are they already out of money for a seasonal budget?


48 posted on 02/04/2008 6:01:59 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: justa-hairyape

If Rain Comes? Wonder how long that Oregonian Staff writter has been living in the Northwest. This is the Pacific Northwest - Rains will come and that 160+% of normal snowpack is going to go someplace.


49 posted on 02/04/2008 6:03:09 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Betis70; moder_ator
KGW has the town spelled wrong. It is Idanha not Idahna. I tried it in google maps and it said it couldn't find Idahna and suggested Idanha.

Yes, you are correct. They had misspelled it. Just found it on a paper travel map I have here.

The town asking for help and declaring an emergency is Idanha, Oregon. Located east of Detroit Oregon on 22. Please note, state officials are advising NO traveling into these areas.

Yikes. Idanha is located just north of Coffin Mountain. Wow.

50 posted on 02/04/2008 6:04:36 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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