Posted on 02/05/2008 10:55:42 AM PST by Mad-Margaret
Thank you.
can you point out where you read that?...its very interesting....
however, I would bet that most children killed are killed my males....not the dads, but the boyfriends of the mother...
stats can be pulled up, down, inside , or out.....just to make a point...
I don't know how a thread about a man executing 5 women somehow got around to attacking women as more "dangerous" to children, but leave it to the women bashers to find a way.....
All the local cop talks, always state to comply with the attacker, do not try to provoke him. That is what these women learned. It is complete BS!
How crazy is it to assume that someone who is attacking you is acting in a rational manner.
Strike back or run , that are your best options.
Every situation is different, but in this case you're absolutely correct.
With six women, if he duct taped them each, that means he would not have had good control of his gun while he was doing the taping.
For the life of me, I can’t imagine that someone wouldn’t have tried to fight back or escape. Clothing stores are not set up to get around easily. There’s plenty of places to duck for cover or push something in his way.
Maybe looking for a zot?
Posting metal detectors at the entrance will only cause people to sneak in through the back doors of the places.
Anyone who’s binding people up with duct tape is up to no good. I’m with you. I’d rather take my chances and maybe come out alive, than be raped and/or tortured to death, or shot execution style.
Same for me.
I hate purses. They’re a necessary evil.
I carry a totebage when I go to work and in I keep whatever current sewing or writing project I’m currently working on (my bar gets real boring at times!) but ID, cash, etc remain in my pocket.
people see a percent sign and get all wobbly.
you have to look at more than numbers. i have no experience with the subject matter, but off hand i'd say one reason your numbers show the trend of mothers being more dangerous than men is because mothers have much more interactions with kids than father do.
think about it. if you have a single mother, the biological dad might spend zero time with the kid while the mother spends almost all the time with the kid. so of course mothers are more likely to kill, as a whole.
but my guess is that if you were able to breakdown the numbers as who kills more as a percentage of the total amount of time spent with kids, males would be MUCH MUCH higher than females proportionally.
see tagline.
I can tell.
i’ll take your lack of response to my actual point as an admission that you figured out your argument is based on nothing but meaningless numbers and pretty % signs.
the fact i take away is that for the proportional difference in time that men spend with kids compared to women, it's amazing how high the violence rate is for the men.
UPDATE
Did 911 call set shooter off?
TINLEY PARK | Sources say manager’s phoning for help may have led to the massacre of the 5 bound women
February 9, 2008
BY FRANK MAIN AND ANNIE SWEENEY Staff Reporters
Police are investigating if the robber who killed five woman and wounded a sixth at a Lane Bryant clothing store in Tinley Park shot them after catching the store manager making a 911 call on her cell phone, police sources said Friday.
One of the slain women, store manager Rhoda McFarland, made the 911 call from the back room Feb. 2 after she and the other five women were bound with duct tape, one source said.
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Dive teams from local area fire departments search retention ponds across the parking lot from the Lane Bryant store at Brookside Marketplace in Tinley Park on Friday.
(Joseph P. Meier/STNG)
At least some of the women were found with panties over their heads, sources said.
The killer heard an emergency dispatcher speaking to McFarland, became enraged and started shooting the women in the head, one source said.
A 33-year-old store employee survived the ordeal with a neck wound and is now in protective custody. She has told police about the events leading to the shootings and provided a description of the killer, who entered the women’s clothing store near 191st and Harlem about 10 a.m. posing as a deliveryman, law enforcement sources said.
The man ordered the women into the back room, bound them with duct tape and put them facedown on the floor, sources said. The other victims included customers Connie Woolfolk, Jennifer Bishop, Sarah Szafranski and Carrie Hudek Chiuso.
“The intent of the killer was to keep robbing people as they came into the store,” one source said.
McFarland called 911 from her cell phone, and the Will County Sheriff’s Department answered, transferring the call to Tinley Park police. The killer heard a dispatcher asking McFarland questions because the volume was turned up on her cell phone, sources said.
“She tried to close the phone, and he shoots her,” one source said. “Then he shoots the rest of them.”
Police have recovered .40-caliber bullet casings from the shooting, sources said.
On Friday, members of the South Suburban Major Crimes Task Force were searching for the murder weapon in a retention pond near the store and around the ramps leading to Interstate 80 at LaGrange Road and Harlem Avenue.
The gunman has been described as black, 5-foot-8 to 5-foot-10 and 230 to 260 pounds — “large framed, with weight proportionate to his height.” He had three to five cornrows at the top of his forehead and a strand with green beads over his right cheek, police say.
Anyone with information about the slayings was asked to call a 24-hour hotline at (708) 444-5394. A $55,000 reward has been offered.
Contributing: Dan Rozek, Kara Spak
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/785630,CST-NWS-shoot09.article#
Update
www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-tinley_park_killings_bothfeb09,1,7109424.story
chicagotribune.com
2 victims in Tinley Park shooting entered store after robbery started, source says
Tinley Park killings came after 911 call, sources say
By Matthew Walberg
Tribune reporter
February 9, 2008
Two of the six victims in last week’s deadly shooting at a Tinley Park clothing store entered the business after the gunman had announced a holdup, a source said Friday.
Investigators recovered shell casings at the scene, the source said. A second source said the weapon used was a .40 caliber handgun.
Excerpt
And yet, no sketch of the suspect. Oh I know why, he doesn’t look like Timothy McVeigh.
It didn’t take long for JJ to get his puss in front of a camera.
Jackson: ‘Someone knows who did this’
(http://www.southtownstar.com/news/tpshooting/787009,0210jackson.article)
February 10, 2008
By Jim Hook, Staff writer
The Rev. Jesse Jackson renewed his call for an assault weapons ban today and urged the public to help find the man who shot six women inside a Tinley Park clothing store, killing five of them.
“Someone knows who did this,” Jackson said after laying a wreath near a makeshift memorial honoring the victims of the shooting Feb. 2. “Silence is betrayal. If someone knows something about the shooting, you need to come forward.
“It is your moral obligation to let us know. We offer prayers to the grieving,” he said. “We need to find who did this.”
Jackson urged anyone with information to contact local or state police or Operation Push.
“We are working with local law enforcement agencies to solve this horrendous crime,” he said. “As a nation, we need to stop the escalation of gun violence in this country.”
Jackson cited recent shootings in Ohio and Missouri as evidence of increased gun violence as well as easy access to guns.
Flanked by Ronald Holt, whose son, Blair, was shot and killed last year in Chicago, Jackson said more than 30,000 people are killed by gun violence each year across the country.
Tinley Park police said the investigation is continuing. Police distributed a sketch of the shooter Saturday. A physical description of the man was provided by a sixth woman who survived being shot in a back room of the Lane Bryant store. She remains in protective custody.
What does an assault weapons ban have to do with a size 20 pants suit?
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