Posted on 02/06/2008 3:43:04 AM PST by ovrtaxt
Here's the current state of things, as coldly and accurately as I can portray them:
1> The Dems are rushing headlong into socialism, and possibly something much worse.
2>The GOP leadership has made a decision- namely, that they don't want Conservatives around. Oh, they want us on election day, but after that, “shut up and go stand over there where you won't embarrass us”.
3> We face several national threats. Globalist dilution of our national sovereignty, Radical Islam, a rapidly weakening dollar, Chinese aggression by economic and trade policies, the impending internal losses of vital Constitutional rights, and a general worldwide sentiment of resentment and envy against America. And there's a cruel dagger in our back that's been there for decades, but is now starting to twist- the US economy is staring down the barrel of a Keynesian rifle- the socialist chickens are coming home to roost, and the only thing we get from campaigning politicians is more socialism. Our current debt-based economy is unsustainable. We will be toast if something drastic isn't done, and we won't be able to fight ANY WAR if we can't afford it.
Here's the bitter pill being forced down our throats this morning: WE HAVE NOWHERE TO GO. There's no larger political framework available which will express our desire for freedom, no voice in politics which echoes our heart's desire. We have forums like this, SOME talk radio, and each other. We have a few good people in Congress, here and there. But a national platform, a focused voice to represent Constitutionally limited government, it doesn't exist.
Here's why- many of us are still clinging on to one sorry half-baked liberal candidate or another. Even today, I'm hearing many Freepers stating their continued loyalty to McCain, simply because he isn't Hillary. How much crap will you eat before you start to wonder 'where's the real food'?
It's time to come together and make a common agreement. We must not compromise something so vitally important to the world as the Constitution. Multitudes of enslaved people around the world dream of living the way we do. If we let this slip away, we'll regress to the control freak nightmare that has been the majority of human history.
Remember- the GOP doesn't want us. We need to stick together, however, and decide where to go. A new Conservative leadership is desperately needed, and a new home for Conservative voters is desperately needed.
Suggestions? As for a party apparatus, the first thing that comes to my mind is the Constitution Party. Yes, I know the CP isn't viable right now, but if Conservatives started defecting en masse, it would be. Remember what happened in the 70s- we decided that the GOP could provide our framework. It's taken them 30 years, but the goons who run the party have finally managed to 'extract themselves from our tentacles', at least that's how they probably see it. The current CP would welcome it, since that's who they are anyway.
But political leadership, I have no idea. Who do you like?
You have used the term “anti-religious agenda.” May I ask what you mean by that?
***How about we see what you THINK it means and we can proceed from there. We should be able to cover the ground faster that way.
>>>>>You RINOs are sickening to deal with, like watching vultures do their best work.
I warned you that you’d end up here.
If some people who join the team reserve the right to quit during the big game, why would those people think the team will want to work with them?
***The problem with your analogy is that the team is working towards a goal that is antithetical to some of the players, i.e. the front line that I keep coming back to.
Please answer Hank’s question:
Hank>>>But if my party’s standard bearer holds beliefs that are utterly antithetical to those which attracted me to the party in the first place, why should I support it?
I can be a gun owner and support gun ownership but not support the NRA.
***Then that makes you a weak 2A supporter, especially if you go out of your way to criticise those who upheld the 2A rights.
I can like the outdoors but disagree vehemently with the Sierra Club and the way it conducts itself.
***Well, since the Sierra Club isn’t exactly a conservative organization, your analogy loses some fizzle here.
I can love God but scream bloody murder at those religious groups which would like to bend Conservatism to their own agenda.
***Then, like the 2A thing, this would make you weak on such issues, again especially if you go out of your way to criticise those who upheld the associated rights. Basically, your whole analogy makes you out to be a weak conservative who keys up on one of the strongest elements within the conservative coalition. You’re pretty useless. AND, it’s folks like you who are to blame for the current malaise within the republican party.
Good catch.
Kevmo>>>>>Someone who claims to be a BigC conservative and is “proud to be the problem” of some smallC conservative, is a hypocrite.
Angkor: This is quite astonishing. You continue to be intentionally blind to the fact that the Values Voters and Social Conservatives run a variety of PACs, lobbying organizations, election support efforts, published outreach, etc.
***No, I acknowledged it upthread. I say it’s a good thing. The Fiscons need to get their own PACs & such things going. What’s astonishing here, is that you don’t even see that I acknowledged it.
I believe ValuesVoter.org is actually a registered IRS 527.
These are activist political entities, not “smallC conservatives”.
***Good for them.
When you get that, you’ll get the whole point of my position.
***I get it, and still your position is wrong. Still you’re a hypocrite. Still you’re a pretender, a RINO, and a bigot. Hopefully I haven’t left out anything, but I can always get back to more descriptions of your position later.
Then stop responding to me.
***Right there is why you never get anywhere with other socons on this socon site.
At this point I’m ready to let the readers decide for themselves. Caveat subscriptor.
I have answered every question you’ve posted to me, as far as I can tell. You, on the other hand, duck the most pointed ones like County Agent Hank’s. Go ahead and deflect some more, so the readers can make up their own minds. Caveat Subscriptor.
Hank>>>But if my party’s standard bearer holds beliefs that are utterly antithetical to those which attracted me to the party in the first place, why should I support it?
I encourage you and Tony Perkins and your cohorts to give that lesson a real best effort test. I’ll even contribute to your new party if you will simply leave us Conservatives and Republicans alone.
***Glad to oblige. Perhaps you could oblige us socons, those who helped START this website like JimRob, and post your drivel to him so that we can see how long it takes to get rid of RINOs like you.
Time for the FALCONservatives to assert themselves.
Death of the GOP and the Birth of a New Political Party
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1961828/posts
The time may soon come where many of us say, like Ronald Reagan’s famous quote regarding the Democrat party, “I didn’t leave the Republican party, the Republican party left me.”
Kevmo>>>>Your post does not address the question of why I should support something antithetical to my beliefs. It addresses what would happen if some guy you don’t like goes & forms a 3rd party.
Angkor: Implicit in my answer is that your shouldn’t.
***That’s when I know I’m cornering a RINO, when they start saying things like “implicit”. You think we should disregard STRONGLY held beliefs to accomodate your WEAKLY held beliefs. OK, got it. Typical RINO response. And, of course, like most RINOisms, it will never work and I’ll never sign up for it. Neither will millions of other socons. That’s some coalition building skill y’all have got, trying to get the most energetic wing of your party to give up its strong beliefs. It spells doom for the party and you caused it and the party deserves it. And furthermore, this is not a GOP website, it is a SOCON site started by socons long before you got here so maybe you should just take your lockstep GOP garbage elsewhere.
That’s an extremely childish challenge.
***It helps for the lurkers to decide for themselves, seeing that you shrunk cowardly from the challenge and chose instead to deliver a zinger. Caveat Subscriptor.
How is the Social Conservative different from the Conservative? How is the Values Voter different from other voters? How is the pro-lifer different from those who are opposed to abortion?
Tough questions which I’ve now asked nearly 10 times and which you refuse to answer in simple and clear English sentences.
***You’re trying to build loaded definitions, you’ve already betrayed your bigoted bias, and you have no intention to constructively debate. If you want to see definitions, offer some up. If you want someone to answer your false dilemma bull shiite, answer the false dilemmas asked of you. Your questions are not tough. They’re simple. And, the lurkers will see they HAVE been answered, so at this point I’m just toying with you like a Viking Kitty. If you answer a question in a snarky manner, don’t be surprised you get snarky followups. If you answer respectfully, don’t be surprised to find respectful followups. It just goes right over your head, doesn’t it? And if you come onto a socon forum and trash socon beliefs, don’t expect anything but trash in return. And yet you always wonder why you end up in the trash.
When you throw trash at socons on a socon forum, you end up in a garbage heap, RINO.
I answered your question, but it didn’t fit your agenda. Talk about abject stupidity, you are playing baiting games to try and splinter further the conservatives at FreeRepublic.com. You’re outed, binks.
No thanks. I don’t require any “enlightening”.
‘Preciate it anyway.
>>>>I answered your question, but it didn’t fit your agenda.
Pardon me MHGinTN.... but who the heck are you, and why are you pinging Jim R. in bogus posts?
That quote above isn’t yours, you haven’t been involved in this debate at all to my recollection, and actually your sudden presence is a little mysterious.
If you disagree with my premise that Values Voters and Social Conservatives et al are responsible for the current nomination debacle — rather than the scary shibboleths of the MSM, RINOs, and liberal Republicans -— then make your case.
Pinging Jim with random text fragments and then running away is not very ...ummmm..... forthright.
Whoa, dude, put down the bong.
BTW, binks, when Jim posts to me to stop pinging him to agents provocateur like you, I'll stop.
Well, whaddaya know, it looks like we agree on something.
I didn’t catch that, since you were responding to a different post than #728. I suppose we could add agent provocateur to the list of applicable terms. ;-)
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