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Champ Car, Indy Racing League (IRL) Get Together
Speed TV ^ | 8 Feb 2008 | Robin Miller

Posted on 02/08/2008 8:10:40 AM PST by af_vet_rr

The long, costly war between Champ Car and the Indy Racing League is close to being over and, for the first time since 1995, there could be one open wheel series for 2008. But there’s still one major hurdle to overcome to make this long-awaited union a reality.

SPEED has learned that Kevin Kalkhoven and Gerald Forsythe, the co-owners of Champ Car, have reached an agreement with IRL founder Tony George to race together this season.

As reported by SPEEDtv.com recently, George offered the Champ Car ownership free Dallara chassis and Honda engines to any CC team that signs up for the full season in addition to receiving $1.2 million per car as part of the IRL’s new TEAM program. Additionally, the Champ Car races at Long Beach, Edmonton and Surfer’s Paradise, Australia would be added to the ’08 IndyCar Series schedule.

(Excerpt) Read more at auto-racing.speedtv.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andretti; champcar; indyracingleague; irl; racing
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Maybe the thread should be titled "Hell Freezes Over". I'm stunned. Given the egos involved, I almost expected both series to go bankrupt before somebody got some common sense in their heads.

Maybe now American open-wheel racing can get back on track, and Marco can really put to rest any doubts anybody had.

1 posted on 02/08/2008 8:10:44 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

In the days before the split we used to get crowds of 100,000 or more at MIS. These days I estimate the crowds at around 25,000 for open wheel races.


2 posted on 02/08/2008 8:14:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: af_vet_rr

Ovals meets Road Courses, again. Glad to see this.


3 posted on 02/08/2008 8:15:31 AM PST by Sax
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To: af_vet_rr

Open Wheel racing has been digging this hole for a long time. The NASCAR juggarnaught will be hard to overcome. The morons running OW racing can still figure out away to hose this up. They haven’t shown to have a whole lot of sense. I’m a sportscar racing fan. I’d rather see those auto manufacturers in the ALMS, IMO.


4 posted on 02/08/2008 8:18:28 AM PST by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: cripplecreek
Well hopefully this will turn that around. I really thought one or the other would go bankrupt before getting together (and given that some teams were having serious financial problems, that could have helped push it over).

Ideally, somebody would cough up the money and get Montoya and a few of the other open wheelers that ended up in NASCAR to come over in 2009, but I doubt they'll be able to match NASCAR money anytime soon, especially given that a lot of teams will have to make a costly transition just within this setup.
5 posted on 02/08/2008 8:18:32 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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Those IRL cars are ugly looking and sound like crap. They should have adopted the newer DP01 that Champ Car uses. The other problem is those ugly IRL cars have a tendency to fly thru the air and end up in the fence. I hope it doesn’t come to pass using the current IRL death spec chassis.


6 posted on 02/08/2008 8:24:16 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: kb2614; Sax
The good news is they've got Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal, Wheldon, Castroneves, Kanaan, and Tracy that would be competing against one another. The two leagues really did dig a deep hole, but just those drivers above could help pull them out.

It's very rushed and some Champ teams are not happy that they didn't push it to 2009, but it sounds like the main players are desperate for it to happen and tracks are going all out to try and accomodate it.

Newman or some of the other wealthier team owners needs to pay Tony Stewart and Juan Montoya and a few other former open wheelers to compete in a few races that aren't conflicting with NASCAR (especially say something like the Indy 500). That could help move things along with getting attendance back up.
7 posted on 02/08/2008 8:25:48 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: kb2614

NASCAR is a joke. The COT and all the rules changes have made it the most uninteresting of all the racing circuits.

NASCAR needs to open the rules up to breathe new life into this dieing concept.

Dump the push rod, carburetor motors. Lower the displacement limit an create a base template for body shape.

30 years ago, the only limits were displacement volume and weight. everything else was on the table for the teams to tinker with. Back when racing was for real men, not boys.


8 posted on 02/08/2008 8:28:42 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: af_vet_rr

This is great news if it happens. A legitimate, adult alternative to the unwatchable crybaby soap opera WWE freakshow that is NASCAR.


9 posted on 02/08/2008 8:28:50 AM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: af_vet_rr

I’m not a big fan of open wheel racing but we need the big crowds at Michigan to inject money into the local economy. Fortunately NASCAR hasn’t done anything stupid as of yet so we still have two big races per year but 3 big weekends per year would be great.


10 posted on 02/08/2008 8:33:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: af_vet_rr

A few years ago I was proposing a semi-merger that would be something like the 1960s merger of the NFL with the old AFL. The IRL would emphasize oval racing the Champ series road racing, and they’d have some separate events and some combined events, with the top rated cars from each series racing against each other. And they’d have an overall combined champion, maybe with one winner-take-all final race. But, as with Seinfeld’s proposal to combine police work with street sweeping, no one listened.


11 posted on 02/08/2008 8:33:30 AM PST by Steve_Seattle (|"Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Ouderkirk

That there is crazy talk. Everything is hunky dory in Brian France’s playground. Now have another sip of this funny tasting kool-aid. :-)

All your points are spot on, but don’t expect any changes in Brian France’s racertainment-marketing exercise.


12 posted on 02/08/2008 8:34:26 AM PST by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: AbeKrieger
It sounds like there is no choice - since Ford dropped out of Champ Car, and because of declining ratings and attendance, it was only a matter of time before either one (or both) died out.

I'm with you - as much as I've liked NASCAR my whole life, the last few years have just been abysmal. I was happy when Montoya moved to NASCAR, because it was nice to have somebody who wasn't a robot and who would actually show some emotion, but after about 15 races or so, even he toned it down. It was funny as hell that NASCAR decided that it would be good if they backed off the drivers and let the drivers' personalities come through, but after the past few years and because of what NASCAR has become, you still have dozens of clones (or "Stepford Drivers" as my wife calls them).
13 posted on 02/08/2008 8:36:14 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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The days when Indy racers - Foyt, Andretti, the Unsers, Rahal - were household names are long gone. I bet the average sports fan couldn’t name anyone from the Champ series, and practically no one from the Indy series except maybe Danica. NASCAR has put both open wheel series about two laps down, and they have a hell of a pit to climb out of.


14 posted on 02/08/2008 8:37:10 AM PST by Steve_Seattle (|"Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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I think the Indy 500 will be a good bellwether for where it’s going to go. Heck, they out to get Michael Andretti and a few of the others out of retirement just to generate some interest (especially since Mario was a driving force behind this).


15 posted on 02/08/2008 8:40:30 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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BIG MISTAKE

Champ has better drivers who regularly jump to F1 and F1 drivers who jump to Champ. Champ also has a superior feeder system of young drivers in the Atlantic series.Champ has better circuits and road courses with Long Beach being the crown jewel of road courses. The latest DP01 chasis is the latest and best designed chasis in open wheel racing.

Tony George has an ego, old drivers and ovals.


16 posted on 02/08/2008 8:42:42 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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I can’t agree that Long Beach is the “crown jewel of road circuits,” but maybe we’re using different terminology. To me a road circuit is a dedicated race track that isn’t in an oval, tri-oval, or rectangular (Indy) configuration, e.g., Road Atlanta, Mid-Ohio, Monza. I would call Long Beach a street circuit - closed-off public roads, like in Vancouver, Toronto, and Monte Carlo. And the ovals are the ovals - virtually all of the Indy circuits, except maybe one or two they’ve recently added.


17 posted on 02/08/2008 8:50:19 AM PST by Steve_Seattle (|"Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: af_vet_rr

One problem with American open-wheel racing is the difficulty of getting good American drivers in the series. All these guys come from Brazil and other countries with their pockets full of sponsorship money, and even good American drivers can’t compete with that.


18 posted on 02/08/2008 8:53:39 AM PST by Steve_Seattle (|"Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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Wow. Didn't see that coming.

Maybe we all really can get along.

Nah.

19 posted on 02/08/2008 8:55:52 AM PST by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te calles?")
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You`re correct. My favorite closed road course is of course, Elkhart Lake.

The jewel crown of closed street courses is and always
has been Long Beach.

Be that as it may, still a big mistake to let Tony own it all and turn it into a predominately oval series.Champ should tough it out.


20 posted on 02/08/2008 8:58:54 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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