Posted on 02/09/2008 11:45:57 PM PST by The_Republican
Seeing McCain as the nominee has made many of us familiar with that feeling.
I understand your frustations. I don’t agree with the solution.
Really fallacy is in equation Klintons to McCain. Traitors and Draft Dodgers to a Patriot and War Hero.
He would NEVER trade weapons techonoly for campaign donations. He would NEVER surrender to Al Qaida.
Klintons have and would.
As far as “flawed anlaysis”, I didn’t think I needed to explain why party is split, because we know why. Also, the solutions to the problem were all geared towards bringing Conservatives back to the fold, and thus assuming their anger is one of the main causes of this problem.
Finally, point #6 did present specific examples of how what used to be STRENGTHS of GOP, the credibiliy on those issues was lost. Another way of saying, betrayal or party principles.
Good Night!
You said “McCain is acclaimed the presumptive nominee after ‘Winning’ everything with an average of about 35% of the votes in these stacked Primarie? Give me a break.”
Republican turn out has been very low...and will get lower. There is no exctment out there for either McCain or Huckabee. Even with the RATS fighting amongst themselves Republicans just arent interested.
I cant even enjoy the destruction of the Clinton machine......sad days
I agree with your assessment of the remedy, a sort of “Creative Destruction” of the party. It is the only way to root these people out and get it back on track. Failing this a viable, philosophically pure Third Party is mandatory.
I am going to print out and save this thread as it contains the best series of posts regarding statements of both the problems along with some of the solutions I have seen in a single thread since I’ve been at FR. I would urge others to do the same and, periodically, re-read it at points in the future.
FRegards
This is not a matter of mere frustration. It is a matter of trust. I know him to be unworthy of trust because he has betrayed me and mine in no small or uncertain way. His betrayal is monumental, without repentance, and goes directly against sacred honor. He_is_without_honor.
Really fallacy is in equation Klintons to McCain. Traitors and Draft Dodgers to a Patriot and War Hero.
Patriot my @$$. Patriots do not betray their cause. Traitors do that. Traitors all.
His creds as a war hero are defunct. Whatever he was, he is no more. A war hero does not betray, EVER. It is unthinkable to compromise one's brothers-in-arms, yet that is exactly what he has done in the political sense.
He would NEVER trade weapons techonoly for campaign donations. He would NEVER surrender to Al Qaida.
He is without honor. As one who betrays, nothing is beyond his desire, and there is no length he would not resort to. I do not believe him to be worthy of your assertion.
As far as “flawed anlaysis”, I didn’t think I needed to explain why party is split, because we know why.
I do not believe that you understand the degree thereof.
Also, the solutions to the problem were all geared towards bringing Conservatives back to the fold, and thus assuming their anger is one of the main causes of this problem.
Again, this is not a matter of emotion. Anger is a result. He is without honor.
Thanks for the props... Having now read your posts herein, I can say you're not doing so bad yourself. :) I am in complete agreement with your statements thus far.
I agree with your assessment of the remedy, a sort of “Creative Destruction” of the party. It is the only way to root these people out and get it back on track.
I would further propose a "throw the bastards out" campaign against anyone who signed on to (or supported in any way) the amnesty deal. I don't want a single one of them left standing, at least none who are up for office this year. We can worry about the rest next go-around.
We need to note those who stood in the breech too, those few true Conservatives who tried to stop the bloody thing, and ask their blessing on those we intend to elect- If they don't like them, we had best not elect them. A concerted effort to develop true Conservatives in both houses is past due and of the greatest necessity. A new Contract with America must be put forward.
Failing this a viable, philosophically pure Third Party is mandatory.
I really hope to go for brokered. I hope that Huck stays in to make that happen. Perhaps by then the party will understand it's folly, but I doubt it. Considering the power resting in the leadership in such a condition, a brokered convention will probably result in more of the same.
I, like many others, have resigned from the Republican Party, a membership I have held for nearly thirty years. I would be happy to support a third party, or an independent candidate of a Conservative nature.
“This time around I have yet to see a Pubby getting brutally attacked.”
It’s too soon for the brutal attacks. Both sides are in a bruising fight for the nomination, which is rare, and that is sucking up all the oxygen right now. Once McCain has the nomination completely sewn up, the unrelenting, merciless bloodletting will commence.
Howard Dean has already said that opposition research is being done on McCain and stories are ready to be released to the press at the proper time. That will be mostly after the convention and in October, when rank and file voters are paying attention and the maximum damage can be done.
“Mac” is a fatally flawed candidate, which will be made apparent to all just in time for November 4th.
Those "personal agendas" are called principles.
John McCain is not one of us and we know it.
He cannot beat either of the Democrats because the country is too evenly divided and conservatives hate McCain for betraying our principles and insulting us.
Conservatives have ALWAYS DONE THE HEAVY LIFTING for Republicans as volunteers in presidential campaigns.
I wouldn't lift an ink pen for John McCain.
I have always before hit the streets to work for the Republican presidential candidate - even for Bob Dole. I wouldn't get out of bed for John McCain.
Bob Dole's presidential candidacy will be made to look like a landslide win if McCain is the nominee of the Republicans.
“...McCain will get his A** kicked in November and, in the process, will pull many, many otherwise good conservative Republicans down with him.”
This does not have to happen if conservatives will turn out in record numbers to vote for conservative candidates for Congress and the Senate, leaving only the Presidential slot blank. It will then be evident that nominating McKennedy was a disaster, but that the Democrat winner will not get anything through the House and the Senate. Gridlock is our savior in this case.
Sorry. With all due respect, you and others have constructed this unworkable machine and I doubt you will be able to enlist the support of those who have been ignored in order to try to fix it. The so-called enthusiasm gap is really just a shrug by people who would otherwise be energetically involved had they not been disenfranchised in this sham - And yes, IMO it IS a sham.
McCain is acclaimed the presumptive nominee after 'Winning' everything with an average of about 35% of the votes in these stacked Primarie? Give me a break.
I could go on but it is late and, from what I've seen from McCain Bots or Party Bots around here, you do not really care what I and many others think. You just want us to get in line and accept this treatment 'For the good of the Party'. Doesn't fly with me and I suspect I am not alone in this response.
Spot on, desperation, desperation, desperation, is the only way to describe the McCane supporters that would come up with this silly ploy.
“I think we can destroy Hillary and we should help Hillary beat Obama in Primaries such as Texas where Pubs can vote too in Democratic Primaries.”
Good call. I believe Hillary will be far easier to beat if she is the nominee.
And what’s to be done with the liberal media?
Big journalism has slandered Republicans shamelessly for generations now. They should be sued into oblivion.
There is no “enthusiasm” gap. The Conservatives are very enthusiastically pissed off at the leadership.
All the other candidates got even less, which is, um, how he has been winning. So what are we supposed to do? Find ANOTHER tired, unmotivated TV actor to run super quick?
Um...have you considered the nightmare scenario of a Clinton/Obama ticket. He covers her high negatives, soothes the Black voters and sets himself up as the heir apparent.
Meanwhile the Reps cranky, creaky and volcnaic candidate goes down to a monumental defeat - A defeat that no one, even real Conservatives who swallow hard and go all out for this flawed candidate, can prevent.
Hillary's negatives can and will be overcome one way or the other by the Dems and Reps are dreaming if they are relying on this as a way to win in Nov.
I think just about everyone here does -
We are here because we care about America.
We are accustomed to dealing with the destructive policies of liberals and take it in stride.
But to see greedy, arrogant republicans throw away the opportunity of a life time is enough to make grown men retch!.
Before 2006, when the rebublican majority in the senate and congress started acting like stoned democrats blowing other people's money I used to think:
"What a waste - we finally have a republican president and majority in both houses and they are missing the chance of a lifetime to do good. After this we probably will never again see a republican president with a republican majority in the senate and congress in my lifetime."
Now I think it will be something of a miracle if there is ever another republican president or a majority in either house at any time in the next century.
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