Skip to comments.Smoky bar triggered fatal asthma attack
Posted on 02/10/2008 6:00:34 AM PST by justkillingtime
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I am allergic to mold, dust, and something in the oil that gets into the air when you pop popcorn. WHO do I blame? LOL
YOU are right! Also just walking into a Tire Store triggers my asthma! I should feign attack and SUE them! </sarcasm>
Also, please note that ALL children can receive heathcare coverage under SCHIP, if they fail to qualify for Medicaid. Lack of healthcare or insurance is a moot point IMO. This article was published to promote a blatent liberal agenda.
I don’t know the specifics of SCHIP...does a 19 yr. old qualify as a “child”?
I agree this article is propoganda...I’m just pointing out there could have been other factors in his situation that the reporter never bothered to consider because of the obvious bias.
Like I said before about my hubby - we are covered, but there have been times he’s lost his inhaler right after filling the prescription. Insurance makes you wait before they’ll fill another.
Patients Balk at New Asthma Inhalers: HFA inhalers are better for the environment but how about the patients?
Local law apparently allows people under 21 to work in bars. In some states, Oklahoma for instance, a person under 21 can’t even go into a store where alcohol is sold.
It seems from the reports that the young woman was in denial about the seriousness of her asthma: she wasn’t taking the basic precautions a reasonable asthmatic person would. In my family, we call this kind of thing “died of stupid.”
“It seems from the reports that the young woman was in denial about the seriousness of her asthma:”
A sad truth about teenagers in general.
Most teens believe they are invincible - unfortunately for some the worst has to happen before that bubble is burst.
If she’s enrolled in school (any form) and is financially dependent upon her parents, many insurance companies and federal/state health asistance programs typically covers “dependents” until age 25. I find it hard to belive she was self-sufficient financially working at a bar (unless it was a strip club) IMO.
Did you notice in the original article that the following is in black, bold font for the subtitle?
“First case of secondhand smoke causing an immediate death, study says”
This article is based upon the researcher’s theory. Yes, that researcher who refuses to identify the girl’s name and used her as the basis for his newly-published journal article. If identified, others in Michigan could possibly produce conflicting evidence based upon her personal behaviors and experiences.
“Most teens believe they are invincible - unfortunately for some the worst has to happen before that bubble is burst.”
But should the rest of us be denied our ability to make our own choices because many teenagers are future Darwin Award winners?
I've observed that myself.
I'm very sad for the young woman's family and friends. It's a terrible loss, even though it was apparently preventable. A lot of deaths are like that ...
My brother was a cop at 19. He went into bars before he could go into bars.
That said, if you can’t stand the heat...stay out of the bars.
“I’ve observed that myself.”
We’ve observed it alot with our oldest this week.
She insists her latest troubles with her car are not her fault but with the car.
The car has been checked and rechecked.
We have had difficulty explaining to her that the problem is most likely with the DRIVER.
As in...on mornings where conditions are good for black ice, one must drive SLOWER.
We’re still working on her.
We’re hoping that making her responsible for damages and increase in insurance premium will make the lesson painful enough it will sink into the cranium better.
That's OK. We welcome the support of elite cigar smokers as well as that of the lowly cigarette smoker.
The young lady decided poorly. And now politicians will try and ban smoking. *sigh*
This is too serious to just ban smoking and the young lady didn’t decide poorly. Keep in mind that in today’s society no one is responsible for their actions and banning is no longer enough. People need to go to jail and suffer serious consequences, perhaps flogging or whipping. /s
Were hoping that making her responsible for damages and increase in insurance premium will make the lesson painful enough it will sink into the cranium better.
In other news.. a young man who is allergic to peanuts died at his job in the planters peanut factory.
“In other news.. a young man who is allergic to peanuts died at his job in the planters peanut factory.”
You forget that she was 19 working in a bar, what kind of health insurance did she have? Probably none.
I bet it will come out that she couldn’t afford meds.
The libs will give us a twofer...A smoking ban AND nationalized health care.
Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $187,500; Michigan Sensor Project; MI Consumer and Industry Svcs
Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $298,557; Genetic Exposure Interaction in Beryllium Disease; NIH/PHS
Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $5,400; Fatality Assessment and Control Evaluation (FACE); Mich Farm Bureau
Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $22,744; Ables; MI Labor Economic Growth
Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $680,242; Enhanced Program in Occupational Injury and Illness Surveillance; Centers for Disease Control -PHS
Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $12,837; Work-Related Asthma Education Project; MI Community Health
Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $28,252; State-Wide Asthma Mortality Review; MI Community Health
“Try sending your kid to school with a peanut butter (one of the only things she consistently eats containing protein) sandwich and receiving a letter stating that one child in school is allergic to peanuts therefore no one is allowed to send peanut butter to school.”
It hasn’t happened here - yet, but I’m waiting.
Those peanut allergies can be very deadly, and I always wind up thinking to myself “if I knew my child could DIE simply by being next to a peanut butter sandwich....would I send him/her off to that school every day?”
I don’t think I would.
You could ban it all, and still - someone somewhere will have some peanut residue on them from breakfast - or won’t realize it is present in some oil on their granola bar.
And that could result in your child’s death?
That child should be home, with the parents carefully monitoring playgroups and other activities.
Grant junkie is an understatement.
This is really strange, but I just LOVE that tire smell. If a girl were wearing new rubber tire perfume, I’d have to follow her. It’s a tire pheromone.
Most pollens such as the infamous yellow pine don't bother me at all. They just turn my truck yellow.
I just don't like being in cigarette smoke. I don't want to breathe it and I don't want it on my clothes. But I would never deprive smokers of their rights.
You just reminded me of how much I loved the smell of gasoline when I was a little kid. It had lead in it back then.
Hubby tells me that explains everything.
"Look out!! He's got a gun!"
"Peanut violence is a menace to society"
“That child should be home, with the parents carefully monitoring playgroups and other activities.”
see post 81
What was she doing working in a bar if she was that sensitive to smoke?
What sets you, and many others, apart from the "dearly departed" of this post, is that you take actions to protect yourself.
It is rewarding to exchange ideas with those that haven't succumbed to the victim nanny state propaganda.
"Peanut violence is a menace to society"
Alot of drug companies will provide a person with free or greatly reduced in cost medicines if they can't afford to pay and don't have insurance.
Didn’t she know that smoke triggered asthma? How could she have stood it there before? I can’t believe this is the first time she had problems with it.
Smoke of any kind bothers me. I know there are going to be some jobs that I just can’t do. Oh, well.
Especially since it took 15 minutes for the asthma attack to happen. If she was so sensitive that she had a bad enough attack that it killed her, why did it take so long?
When you're sensitive like that, all it takes is a couple breaths before you begin to feel it.
Thank you...I had forgotten about Walmart’s $4 scripts. And you are correct about the Pharma companies. All that is needed is a signed form by the doctor confirming need, and I would think her age and place of employment would substantiate a lack of income. This issue existed since she was 2, yet it will be used to justify the political agenda that is so prominent nowadays. The article is based on the researcher’s information only and for a scientist he appears to exclude much of the background information supporting his hypothesis.
Or how about “Gay Man Dies From Disease Caused By Homosexual Activity”. (Crickets chirping)
——IMHO, if she had asthma since she was 2 years old she had ample opportunity to learn to try to maintain and minimize any attacks. I find it hard to believe with over 16 years experience with asthma she was never informed of any, or all, potential triggers and to do her utmost to avoid them. The article alludes to her inability to control the disease but stops there. There is a reason they did not expand on that comment or mention any personal identiers. This researcher has found a case to justify his research based on his political agenda.——
I agree. If no toxicology studies were done on her then how is it possible to blame cigarette smoke as the culprit when it may have been some perfume someone was wearing, or many other things in her environment that could trigger such a reaction. Perhaps the cumulative exposure to numerous triggers finally sent her over the edge.
I also think its more likely that he found another case that DETERMINES his political agenda(with our tax dollars).
Not heartless just strong believers in PR, personal responsibility, not PC.
The dreaded second hand oil. Deadly stuff. Ban it NOW!
I am allergic to bleach fumes and gasoline fumes. One wiff of the stuff makes me sicker than a dog. I have learned not to take a wiff of the stuff. LOL
Did they find actual “second-hand smoke” in the lungs or lung tissue?... No. Of course not.
Thanks for the ping!
“I also think its more likely that he found another case that DETERMINES his political agenda(with our tax dollars).”
Exactly. The whole article is written BASED on his research. He is the ONLY person cited throughout it, and he just happens to have a new article published (based on said research) and appears to be a grant-hungry persona.
The establishment has been waiting for this canary to show up for a long time; looks like they finally got what they wanted.
The coroner ruled the death was due to asthma; Professor Rosenblum is the one maintaining that it was due to secondhand smoke.
Michigan is still working on a statewide ban but having some problems as all counties and the state legislature haven’t agreed on it.
By jumping on this isolated and rare happenstance, I believe the activist’s have appropriated this poor girl’s death and the family’s grief as a springboard to success.