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Smoky bar triggered fatal asthma attack
Reutors ^ | updated 5:38 p.m. CT, Fri., Feb. 8, 2008

Posted on 02/10/2008 6:00:34 AM PST by justkillingtime

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To: Condor51

I am allergic to mold, dust, and something in the oil that gets into the air when you pop popcorn. WHO do I blame? LOL


51 posted on 02/10/2008 7:19:06 AM PST by buffyt (Hillary, picking up other women's underwear off the bedroom floor is NOT presidential experience!)
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To: Sender

YOU are right! Also just walking into a Tire Store triggers my asthma! I should feign attack and SUE them! </sarcasm>


52 posted on 02/10/2008 7:20:18 AM PST by buffyt (Hillary, picking up other women's underwear off the bedroom floor is NOT presidential experience!)
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To: ottbmare
"This forum is being taken over by the heartless."

Not the heartless, just logical, observant freedom-loving readers who honor and respect the principles our Founding Fathers established that the liberal left would like to take away and control. I have asthmatic attacks brought on by many differing triggers: old lady perfumes, pollen, certain cat and dog dander, stress, etc. I NEVER leave home without an emergency inhaler, and always consider the environment I am about to place myself within...Based on those two actions I have not had an attack in over 1 year (and yes, I smoke cigarettes and have cats). Read the article again and you will note that she "had asthma since she was 2" and that it "was POORLY controlled".

In an article written with such an obvious agenda that definitely implies that she was failing to monitor her own health. Also, note that the researcher cited throughout tthe article is using this case to get his theory published in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine. Her refuses to identify the name of the person in question thus denying potential verification of his determiniations which justify his research.
53 posted on 02/10/2008 7:20:59 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: WV Mountain Mama
Nothing scares politicians more than people who can think for and take care of themselves.

Worth repeating.

54 posted on 02/10/2008 7:25:50 AM PST by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: ottbmare; Scotswife

Also, please note that ALL children can receive heathcare coverage under SCHIP, if they fail to qualify for Medicaid. Lack of healthcare or insurance is a moot point IMO. This article was published to promote a blatent liberal agenda.


55 posted on 02/10/2008 7:25:53 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: callisto

I don’t know the specifics of SCHIP...does a 19 yr. old qualify as a “child”?

I agree this article is propoganda...I’m just pointing out there could have been other factors in his situation that the reporter never bothered to consider because of the obvious bias.

Like I said before about my hubby - we are covered, but there have been times he’s lost his inhaler right after filling the prescription. Insurance makes you wait before they’ll fill another.


56 posted on 02/10/2008 7:32:28 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: justkillingtime
Condolences to all who knew the young woman.

Patients Balk at New Asthma Inhalers: HFA inhalers are better for the environment but how about the patients?

57 posted on 02/10/2008 7:33:48 AM PST by syriacus (McCain promises to transfer all Gitmo prisoners to Ft. Leavenworth on his first day as president.)
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To: eXe

Local law apparently allows people under 21 to work in bars. In some states, Oklahoma for instance, a person under 21 can’t even go into a store where alcohol is sold.

It seems from the reports that the young woman was in denial about the seriousness of her asthma: she wasn’t taking the basic precautions a reasonable asthmatic person would. In my family, we call this kind of thing “died of stupid.”


58 posted on 02/10/2008 7:37:48 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: Scotswife
Can you buy online?
59 posted on 02/10/2008 7:40:18 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: Tax-chick

“It seems from the reports that the young woman was in denial about the seriousness of her asthma:”

A sad truth about teenagers in general.
Most teens believe they are invincible - unfortunately for some the worst has to happen before that bubble is burst.


60 posted on 02/10/2008 7:42:36 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

If she’s enrolled in school (any form) and is financially dependent upon her parents, many insurance companies and federal/state health asistance programs typically covers “dependents” until age 25. I find it hard to belive she was self-sufficient financially working at a bar (unless it was a strip club) IMO.

Did you notice in the original article that the following is in black, bold font for the subtitle?

“First case of secondhand smoke causing an immediate death, study says”

This article is based upon the researcher’s theory. Yes, that researcher who refuses to identify the girl’s name and used her as the basis for his newly-published journal article. If identified, others in Michigan could possibly produce conflicting evidence based upon her personal behaviors and experiences.


61 posted on 02/10/2008 7:42:39 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: Scotswife

“Most teens believe they are invincible - unfortunately for some the worst has to happen before that bubble is burst.”

But should the rest of us be denied our ability to make our own choices because many teenagers are future Darwin Award winners?


62 posted on 02/10/2008 7:45:11 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: Scotswife
Most teens believe they are invincible

I've observed that myself.

I'm very sad for the young woman's family and friends. It's a terrible loss, even though it was apparently preventable. A lot of deaths are like that ...

63 posted on 02/10/2008 7:46:47 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: justkillingtime

An Aside:
My brother was a cop at 19. He went into bars before he could go into bars.

That said, if you can’t stand the heat...stay out of the bars.


64 posted on 02/10/2008 7:49:30 AM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: Tax-chick

“I’ve observed that myself.”

We’ve observed it alot with our oldest this week.

She insists her latest troubles with her car are not her fault but with the car.

The car has been checked and rechecked.

We have had difficulty explaining to her that the problem is most likely with the DRIVER.
As in...on mornings where conditions are good for black ice, one must drive SLOWER.

We’re still working on her.
We’re hoping that making her responsible for damages and increase in insurance premium will make the lesson painful enough it will sink into the cranium better.


65 posted on 02/10/2008 7:49:48 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: ottbmare
I am opposed to the smoke Nazis as much as any cigar afficionado is.

That's OK. We welcome the support of elite cigar smokers as well as that of the lowly cigarette smoker.

66 posted on 02/10/2008 7:51:33 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: justkillingtime

This smells


67 posted on 02/10/2008 7:53:22 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Sender

The young lady decided poorly. And now politicians will try and ban smoking. *sigh*
+++++++++++++++++
This is too serious to just ban smoking and the young lady didn’t decide poorly. Keep in mind that in today’s society no one is responsible for their actions and banning is no longer enough. People need to go to jail and suffer serious consequences, perhaps flogging or whipping. /s


68 posted on 02/10/2008 7:58:18 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Scotswife
Ah, the joys of a teenage driver. My oldest can get her license in about two months, if she learns to do a 3-point turn. "Turn the wheel clockwise" was apparently a foreign concept; must be all the digital clocks!

We’re hoping that making her responsible for damages and increase in insurance premium will make the lesson painful enough it will sink into the cranium better.

Good luck!

69 posted on 02/10/2008 7:59:27 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: justkillingtime

In other news.. a young man who is allergic to peanuts died at his job in the planters peanut factory.


70 posted on 02/10/2008 8:00:58 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

“In other news.. a young man who is allergic to peanuts died at his job in the planters peanut factory.”

good one.


71 posted on 02/10/2008 8:02:59 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: mylife
It's time to ban "peanuts" ! /sarc Try sending your kid to school with a peanut butter (one of the only things she consistently eats containing protein) sandwich and receiving a letter stating that one child in school is allergic to peanuts therefore no one is allowed to send peanut butter to school. They're going way overboard IMO.
72 posted on 02/10/2008 8:04:35 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: callisto

You forget that she was 19 working in a bar, what kind of health insurance did she have? Probably none.

I bet it will come out that she couldn’t afford meds.

The libs will give us a twofer...A smoking ban AND nationalized health care.


73 posted on 02/10/2008 8:09:03 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: justkillingtime
Wow, what a grant junkie this guy is. These are the grants he pulled in for the period 6/2 - 8/30/05 alone. Notice the nice fat one from the CDC for $680,242. No incentive there to come up with some "proof" to further the CDC's agenda:

Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $187,500; Michigan Sensor Project; MI Consumer and Industry Svcs

Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $298,557; Genetic Exposure Interaction in Beryllium Disease; NIH/PHS

Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $5,400; Fatality Assessment and Control Evaluation (FACE); Mich Farm Bureau

Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $22,744; Ables; MI Labor Economic Growth

Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $680,242; Enhanced Program in Occupational Injury and Illness Surveillance; Centers for Disease Control -PHS

Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $12,837; Work-Related Asthma Education Project; MI Community Health

Rosenman, Kenneth; Medicine; $28,252; State-Wide Asthma Mortality Review; MI Community Health

74 posted on 02/10/2008 8:09:09 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: callisto

“Try sending your kid to school with a peanut butter (one of the only things she consistently eats containing protein) sandwich and receiving a letter stating that one child in school is allergic to peanuts therefore no one is allowed to send peanut butter to school.”

It hasn’t happened here - yet, but I’m waiting.

Those peanut allergies can be very deadly, and I always wind up thinking to myself “if I knew my child could DIE simply by being next to a peanut butter sandwich....would I send him/her off to that school every day?”

I don’t think I would.

You could ban it all, and still - someone somewhere will have some peanut residue on them from breakfast - or won’t realize it is present in some oil on their granola bar.
And that could result in your child’s death?

That child should be home, with the parents carefully monitoring playgroups and other activities.


75 posted on 02/10/2008 8:14:36 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Madame Dufarge

Grant junkie is an understatement.


76 posted on 02/10/2008 8:15:14 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: buffyt

This is really strange, but I just LOVE that tire smell. If a girl were wearing new rubber tire perfume, I’d have to follow her. It’s a tire pheromone.


77 posted on 02/10/2008 8:17:27 AM PST by Sender (Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.)
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To: G.Mason
There are a couple of pollens that get to me, I'm not sure which ones they are, but they come in Spring and Fall.

Most pollens such as the infamous yellow pine don't bother me at all. They just turn my truck yellow.

I just don't like being in cigarette smoke. I don't want to breathe it and I don't want it on my clothes. But I would never deprive smokers of their rights.

78 posted on 02/10/2008 8:19:58 AM PST by Sender (Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.)
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To: Sender

LOL!

You just reminded me of how much I loved the smell of gasoline when I was a little kid. It had lead in it back then.
Hubby tells me that explains everything.


79 posted on 02/10/2008 8:20:03 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: mylife
See my post 61

Any parent is reminiscent if they have a child diagnosed at age 2 for not teaching her that asthma can be a life-long disease and that she will need to ensure that she understands the facts, triggers, ramifications and financial implications of said disease. Simply by continuing her education at a Community College would have ensured coverage under most insurance policies or state health services. She worked at a bar, IMO unless it was a strip club she was unable to be fiscally self-sufficient in the first place.
80 posted on 02/10/2008 8:25:20 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: Scotswife

"Look out!! He's got a gun!"

"Peanut violence is a menace to society"

81 posted on 02/10/2008 8:26:27 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Scotswife

“That child should be home, with the parents carefully monitoring playgroups and other activities.”

Well said!


82 posted on 02/10/2008 8:26:39 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: callisto

see post 81


83 posted on 02/10/2008 8:27:11 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: justkillingtime

What was she doing working in a bar if she was that sensitive to smoke?


84 posted on 02/10/2008 8:27:42 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: Sender
I understand completely.


What sets you, and many others, apart from the "dearly departed" of this post, is that you take actions to protect yourself.


It is rewarding to exchange ideas with those that haven't succumbed to the victim nanny state propaganda.

85 posted on 02/10/2008 8:31:24 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: callisto

"Peanut violence is a menace to society"

86 posted on 02/10/2008 8:32:30 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

LOL !!


87 posted on 02/10/2008 8:38:46 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: callisto
Albuterol inhalers are under $20 in Oklahoma, they used to be around $13 until a few months ago. You can buy the Albuterol and other types of nebulizer solutions for $4 at Wal Mart. You can combine the albuterol nebulizer solution with another one (I forget the name) to have the equivalent of combivent nebulizer solution. The combient inhaler is around $100.

Alot of drug companies will provide a person with free or greatly reduced in cost medicines if they can't afford to pay and don't have insurance.

88 posted on 02/10/2008 9:22:44 AM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: justkillingtime

Didn’t she know that smoke triggered asthma? How could she have stood it there before? I can’t believe this is the first time she had problems with it.

Smoke of any kind bothers me. I know there are going to be some jobs that I just can’t do. Oh, well.


89 posted on 02/10/2008 9:26:31 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: beckysueb
No SHS involved. Anything could have triggered her attack. This is more propaganda bull. Its just a way to get a death certificate with the cause of death SHS to use for their own propaganda.

Especially since it took 15 minutes for the asthma attack to happen. If she was so sensitive that she had a bad enough attack that it killed her, why did it take so long?

When you're sensitive like that, all it takes is a couple breaths before you begin to feel it.

90 posted on 02/10/2008 9:32:15 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

Thank you...I had forgotten about Walmart’s $4 scripts. And you are correct about the Pharma companies. All that is needed is a signed form by the doctor confirming need, and I would think her age and place of employment would substantiate a lack of income. This issue existed since she was 2, yet it will be used to justify the political agenda that is so prominent nowadays. The article is based on the researcher’s information only and for a scientist he appears to exclude much of the background information supporting his hypothesis.


91 posted on 02/10/2008 9:44:46 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: Uncle Ike

Or how about “Gay Man Dies From Disease Caused By Homosexual Activity”. (Crickets chirping)


92 posted on 02/10/2008 9:54:26 AM PST by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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To: callisto

——IMHO, if she had asthma since she was 2 years old she had ample opportunity to learn to “try” to maintain and minimize any attacks. I find it hard to believe with over 16 years experience with asthma she was never informed of any, or all, potential triggers and to do her utmost to avoid them. The article alludes to her inability to control the disease but stops there. There is a reason they did not expand on that comment or mention any personal identiers. This researcher has found a case to justify his research based on his political agenda.——

I agree. If no toxicology studies were done on her then how is it possible to blame cigarette smoke as the culprit when it may have been some perfume someone was wearing, or many other things in her environment that could trigger such a reaction. Perhaps the cumulative exposure to numerous triggers finally sent her over the edge.

I also think its more likely that he found another case that DETERMINES his political agenda(with our tax dollars).


93 posted on 02/10/2008 9:58:03 AM PST by ResponseAbility
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To: ottbmare

Not heartless just strong believers in PR, personal responsibility, not PC.


94 posted on 02/10/2008 10:03:57 AM PST by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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To: buffyt

The dreaded second hand oil. Deadly stuff. Ban it NOW!


95 posted on 02/10/2008 10:07:50 AM PST by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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To: buffyt

I am allergic to bleach fumes and gasoline fumes. One wiff of the stuff makes me sicker than a dog. I have learned not to take a wiff of the stuff. LOL


96 posted on 02/10/2008 10:10:26 AM PST by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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To: basil

Did they find actual “second-hand smoke” in the lungs or lung tissue?... No. Of course not.


97 posted on 02/10/2008 10:10:32 AM PST by Safetgiver (By the way, that means defecating on the local convenience store.)
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To: Gabz
I join in prayer for her loved ones and friends as they deal with her homegoing.

Thanks for the ping!

98 posted on 02/10/2008 10:11:52 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ResponseAbility

“I also think its more likely that he found another case that DETERMINES his political agenda(with our tax dollars).”

Exactly. The whole article is written BASED on his research. He is the ONLY person cited throughout it, and he just happens to have a new article published (based on said research) and appears to be a grant-hungry persona.


99 posted on 02/10/2008 10:22:52 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: basil

The establishment has been waiting for this canary to show up for a long time; looks like they finally got what they wanted.

The coroner ruled the death was due to asthma; Professor Rosenblum is the one maintaining that it was due to secondhand smoke.

Michigan is still working on a statewide ban but having some problems as all counties and the state legislature haven’t agreed on it.

By jumping on this isolated and rare happenstance, I believe the activist’s have appropriated this poor girl’s death and the family’s grief as a springboard to success.


100 posted on 02/10/2008 10:29:23 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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