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Hillary's time of troubles
Salon ^ | Feb. 10, 2008 | Walter Shapiro

Posted on 02/10/2008 8:33:57 AM PST by ricks_place

As Clinton and Obama spoke to Virginia Democrats on Saturday, the crowd's response -- and returns from Nebraska, Washington and Louisiana -- showed how the tide is turning.

RICHMOND, Va. -- February is suddenly turning into the longest and the cruelest month for Hillary Clinton. She tried to put a brave and indomitable face on it Saturday night as she shared a stage (separated by 90 minutes on the program) with Barack Obama at the Virginia Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson dinner. "If I am your nominee," she declared on a night that raised new questions about that possibility, "you will never have to worry that I will be knocked out of the ring because I do have the strength and experience to lead this country. I am ready to go toe-to-toe with Senator McCain whenever and wherever he desires."

Even before she spoke to the more than 5,000 Democrats -- and the galleries had amused themselves as they waited by alternately chanting "Obama!" and "Yes we can!" -- returns from Saturday afternoon's caucuses in Nebraska and Washington state had already ratified the expected. Once again, repeating a pattern that began in Iowa a month ago, Obama won by lopsided margins in states where the caucus process, in effect, measures intensity of support.

When Clinton finished her flat and forgettable speech, the loudest cheers came from the front of the auditorium where the state party's high rollers and elected officials, who endorsed early, were clustered. By then, the polls had just closed in the Louisiana primary -- and, for Clinton, the song heard along the banks of the Mississippi was "Cry Me a River." With African-Americans making up half the Democratic electorate, Obama prevailed by a hefty 57-to-36 percent margin.

Clinton and Obama were in Richmond in honor of Tuesday's Potomac Primary when voters in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia go to the polls. Every sign and portent suggests that these primaries will continue the Time of Troubles for Hillary. As one of her top black supporters in Virginia said in a mournful voice, "If only we had gotten her here earlier, we might have had a chance."

In reality, her hopes of averting a wipeout Tuesday depends on that half-forgotten demographic group in the Democratic Party -- Southern white men. Buried in the exit polls from last Tuesday's orgy of primaries was the conversion of south of the Mason-Dixon Line male voters into ardent put-a-woman-in-the-White-House feminists. On Feb. 5, Clinton carried white men in the Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Arkansas primaries by a combined margin of 59-to-34 percent. She repeated that pattern Saturday in Louisiana (the only state with exit poll data) winning this group 51-to-31 percent.

Whether they support for a president a woman or an African-American, Virginia Democrats radiated a sense of satisfaction that they were on the side of history. This was poignantly underlined when 77-year-old Doug Wilder -- the current mayor of Richmond who in 1989 became the first black governor elected anywhere since Reconstruction -- spoke to the Democratic dinner and crowed, "Can you imagine how far we have come for a J-J dinner to have two personages -- Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton -- and that one of them will be president of the United States?"

Earlier in the evening at a press conference, Wilder, an enthusiastic Obama supporter, critiqued Bill Clinton for his divisive performance in the run-up to the Jan. 26 South Carolina primary. "A time has come and a time goes," Wilder said. "Mr. President has had his time." On stage, though, Wilder was restrained in his partisanship, leaving the role of cheerleader to Gov. Tim Kaine, one of the first major officials to endorse Obama a year ago. (For those keeping score, both Sen. Jim Webb and former governor and 2008 Senate candidate Mark Warner are neutral in the presidential race).

It was nearly 10:30 -- and virtually no one had slipped out to rush home to pay the babysitter -- when Kaine announced, "Now on to the main event, folks." (It was dismissive of the governor to suggest implicitly that Clinton had been nothing more than a warm-up act). Bounding onto the stage, Obama was in his element, delivering a set speech to an already rapturous crowd.

Little that the first-term Illinois senator said was new or different. Like Clinton, Obama directed his fire outside the party at John McCain who, despite setbacks in Kansas and Louisiana Saturday, where he lost to Mike Huckabee, seems to be sailing towards the GOP nomination. But Obama was also adept at pointing up contrasts to Clinton as he honed his partisan rhetoric. Talking about the decision facing the Democrats in picking a candidate, Obama said, "It's a choice between debating John McCain about who has the most experience in Washington, or debating him about who's most likely to change Washington. Because that's a debate we can win."

David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, claimed in a late-night press release that his candidate had won 103 delegates Saturday (including three from the Virgin Islands) compared to 58 for Clinton. Given the intricacies of Democratic Party delegate-selection rules that precise number may be arguable. But what is beyond dispute is that Obama -- after being held to a draw in votes and delegates in the Woozy Tuesday primaries and caucuses -- is back riding a wave. And that wall of water seems ready to spill over the banks of the Potomac in Tuesday's primaries.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fatandforgettable; hillary; obama; potomacprimary; psycho; threetermsforme; trickster; va2008
When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

1 posted on 02/10/2008 8:34:00 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

ROTFL!!!!


2 posted on 02/10/2008 8:36:26 AM PST by jdm (You must have cookies enabled to log-in.)
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To: ricks_place

Jesus is so bummed He has to sit next to Old Crusty for the entire meal.


3 posted on 02/10/2008 8:37:22 AM PST by jdm (You must have cookies enabled to log-in.)
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To: ricks_place
It's hilarious that Hillary Clinton's only hope is that Southern white men will refuse to vote for a black man.

She should get Robert Byrd to stump for her in full uniform in VA.

4 posted on 02/10/2008 8:38:42 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: ricks_place

WAHH! It's MY turn to be PWESIDENT!

5 posted on 02/10/2008 8:45:56 AM PST by Tax Government (Government-funded education, for the most part, is content to make morons of us all.)
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To: wideawake

All this attention of NOT to elect Hillary leaves the door wide open for Hussein to be CIC. I fear a CIC who prayed and studied the Quran more than I do a Clinton in the WH.


6 posted on 02/10/2008 8:50:23 AM PST by Orange1998
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To: Tax Government

Enjoy the mocking YouTube - http://youtube.com/watch?v=C54SNqmJjnU


7 posted on 02/10/2008 8:51:48 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Orange1998

Exactly. Obama needs to sink in the primaries.


8 posted on 02/10/2008 8:52:18 AM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: ricks_place
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9 posted on 02/10/2008 8:55:52 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: ricks_place

"Don't worry, Hill - I'll do everything I can to help. You can count on me!"
Hill: "That's OK, John. You've got your hands full, too."

Hillary thinking: "I can take care of Obama, old man. You keep screwing up your OWN party!"


10 posted on 02/10/2008 8:59:01 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Vote for McCain! Mental health is overrated!)
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To: Orange1998
>>> I fear a CIC who prayed and studied the Quran more than I do a Clinton in the WH. <<<

I fear a CIC who prayed and studied the Quran during his most formative years and claims he went to a secular madrassas, more than I do a Clinton in the WH.

Hey B. Hussein O'bama, in America we hold our hand over our hearts during the National Anthem!

11 posted on 02/10/2008 9:00:26 AM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; ricks_place



I'M STRONGER YOU FBB!!!!!

12 posted on 02/10/2008 9:11:48 AM PST by devolve (------- --------Bob Dole without the honesty? ---------------That*s a tired old idea!)
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To: ricks_place
"Whether they support for a president a woman or an African-American...Democrats...":

A clear statement of the shallowness of the Democrat Party.

13 posted on 02/10/2008 9:39:13 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: devolve

Beautiful graphic devolve!

Third time Hillary has cried in public now, whatta leader!!


14 posted on 02/10/2008 9:53:01 AM PST by potlatch
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To: ricks_place
raised new questions about that possibility, "you will never have to worry that I will be knocked out of the ring because I do have the strength and experience to lead this country.

She's saying that Obama is a LIGHTWEIGHT or a WELTERWEIGHT.

15 posted on 02/10/2008 9:57:18 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ricks_place
Virginia Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson dinner.

Let me guess, the dinner is in Honor of Rep William Jefferson, D-LA and the Rev. Jesse Jackson? :0)

16 posted on 02/10/2008 10:01:33 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Illegals : Why spend the money to educate them if its against the law to employ them?)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Jim Robinson

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LOL!

Today Slick Willie is in a black DC church campaigning for Hillary!....

The democrats continue to skate by illegally using tax-exempt non-profits that are never held responsible

Recall the New England church that Bill Clinton ordered the IRS to take away their tax-exept status for criticizing him?

Somebody better than I am at Google Search needs to dig up that -


17 posted on 02/10/2008 10:10:26 AM PST by devolve (------- --------Bob Dole without the honesty? ---------------That*s a tired old idea!)
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To: devolve

Snicker, you are quite good at Googling when it comes to cars or James Bond!!

PRIORITIES, lol.


18 posted on 02/10/2008 10:13:13 AM PST by potlatch
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To: All; ricks_place; reformjoy

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NEVER FORGET

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The HILL & BILL Show actively backed Communist North Vietnam’s terrorist takeover of a then Free South Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

Bringing down on a once Free South Vietnamese people a most horrid:

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..”JOURNEY from the FALL”..

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806248/posts

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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What price for the still Free to pay now, I wonder, in a new time of war..? (that’s US btw)

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NEVER FORGET

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19 posted on 02/10/2008 10:15:40 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ricks_place

Bull.

Hillary will get Texas (Hispanic prejudice against blacks) and Ohio (Ted Strickland, the gov, and the unions). She will pull a Clinton and get Michigan and Florida included. Then she has a boatload of superdelegates. Bottom line: she will screw African-American voters in her climb to the top. They will forgive her and vote for her.

This is entertainment. Obama doesn’t stand a chance.


20 posted on 02/10/2008 10:19:03 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Have you seen Journey from the Fall yet?


21 posted on 02/10/2008 10:21:11 AM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: whitedog57

Feedback from one precinct in Washington state cauci, Obama can win, Hillary can’t.


22 posted on 02/10/2008 10:28:20 AM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: Iron Munro

ROFL!


23 posted on 02/10/2008 10:54:32 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: ricks_place
Herself, the Vile and Arrogant said, "you will never have to worry that I will be knocked out of the ring because I do have the strength and experience to lead this country. I am ready to go toe-to-toe with Senator McCain whenever and wherever he desires."

Of course, I may cry, cuss and throw things to get my way; but I am jes' a li'l ol' lady. Y'all should always be gentle with my li'l ol' self.

When those mean ol' Arab enemies come a knockin' on my door, I'll jes' cry. That'll surely make 'em all act nice. I'll also give them our vital military secrets. Then they'll be really nice to me during my reign--which might last until chelsea takes over when I'm gone. wink! wink!

(Yes, that is a rambling post! I was channeling Herself, the Putrid and Rank. I DID, however, edit out hours of er's and um's.)

24 posted on 02/10/2008 11:06:10 AM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: whitedog57
Hillary will get Texas (Hispanic prejudice against blacks)

I don't think so. His "Yes, we can." = "Si, se pueda," the immigration call to arms.

25 posted on 02/10/2008 11:08:33 AM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: Orange1998
leaves the door wide open for Hussein to be CIC

Are you kidding?? His support is a mile wide and an inch deep. He will lose Hispanics and white men by a huge margin in the general election.. Anyone who doesent get ANY negative coverage is gonna look good.

26 posted on 02/10/2008 11:24:17 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: ricks_place
Jim Webb and Mark Warner both probably figure that if they stay neutral, whoever wins may select one of them for the VP slot.

Why do the Democrats have a Jefferson-Jackson dinner in February? Jefferson was born in April, Jackson on the Ides of March. Washington's birthday and Lincoln's birthday are in February, but Lincoln was a Republican and Washington a Federalist--he favored the side that Jefferson and Madison created the Democratic-Republican Party to oppose.

27 posted on 02/10/2008 11:56:16 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: ricks_place

Hitlery is in no danger.

In the democrat party, there is no democracy. The “super delegates” will make the decision, not the regular delegates. Got it?


28 posted on 02/10/2008 12:01:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: ricks_place

29 posted on 02/10/2008 12:02:49 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: wideawake

That is a funny thought.


30 posted on 02/10/2008 12:03:24 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: ricks_place

The least covered Civil War in history.

Pray for W and Our Troops


31 posted on 02/10/2008 12:04:02 PM PST by bray (Go InSain)
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To: eleni121; All
. . My personal screenings of "JOURNEY from the FALL = . 1) April 30th, 2005 at Little Saigon's Motion Picture Preview of .."JOURNEY from the FALL"... This on the 30th Anniversary of a FALL of SAIGON that was brought on by a Sen. TED KENNEDY-Led post-Watergate Democrat Congress' cutting off of all U.S. Military/Medical funding for the then Free South Vietnamse people to fight for their own Freedom with. . This at the very time the Communist Soviet Union had given $6 Billion in Military aid to Communist North Vietnam for its planned 'Final Solution' in the South. . A full-color .."JOURNEY from the FALL".. screening that came a full 4 months after we Freepers had already begun promoting .."JOURNEY from the FALL".. on: . Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts . 2) The West Coast Premiere of .."JOURNEY from the FALL".. in Westminster, California's Little Saigon, right next to the Vietnamese-American Vietnam War Memorial that honors both American and South Vietnamese ARVN Solidiers who fought and died side by side for Freedom in a then Free South Vietnam. . .."JOURNEY from the FALL".. on DVD is now available on: http://www.Amazon.com . Just for the CLARITY of it. .
32 posted on 02/10/2008 12:11:48 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: bannie

She constantly says, “You know” too.


33 posted on 02/10/2008 12:17:59 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks I ordered it.
I can’t believe I missed the postings on FR.


34 posted on 02/10/2008 1:12:46 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: ricks_place
I am ready to go toe-to-toe with Senator McCain whenever and wherever he desires.

"...but if he's mean, I'll cry."

35 posted on 02/10/2008 1:24:08 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Orange1998
All this attention of NOT to elect Hillary leaves the door wide open for Hussein to be CIC. I fear a CIC who prayed and studied the Quran more than I do a Clinton in the WH.

If Erkel does get the nomination, the Republicans will have an unexpected secret weapon - the Klintons. They will do everything in their power to prevent Obama from winning in the general election. Hillary can't afford to let any other Democrat win the Presidency, otherwise, she cannot even think of making another attempt until 2012 - and the odds against her will be much longer by then.

36 posted on 02/10/2008 1:25:21 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Hillary is making Bill Clinton look like a baby sucking a lollipop!

Her lies, schemes, and untruths are VERY unsettling!


37 posted on 02/10/2008 2:11:30 PM PST by reformjoy (Hillary Clinton - High on Power: Will we be safe?)
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To: Tax Government

“— Southern white men. Buried in the exit polls from last Tuesday’s orgy of primaries was the conversion of south of the Mason-Dixon Line male voters into ardent put-a-woman-in-the-White-House feminists. On Feb. 5, Clinton carried white men in the Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Arkansas primaries by a combined margin of 59-to-34 percent. She repeated that pattern Saturday in Louisiana (the only state with exit poll data) winning this group 51-to-31 percent.”

Most southern white men don’t belong to that party any more.


38 posted on 02/10/2008 2:41:46 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: bannie

(Yes, that is a rambling post! I was channeling Herself, the Putrid and Rank. I DID, however, edit out hours of er’s and um’s.)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sorry, you know, I don’t buy it, you know. You couldn’t, you know, have actually been, you know, channeling herself, you know, because you didn’t, you know, throw in any you knows, you know?


39 posted on 02/10/2008 3:14:20 PM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

How could I have forgotten THAT????


40 posted on 02/10/2008 8:05:58 PM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: RipSawyer

Yes, you know, I kind of, you know, almost sort of, you know, um, forgot, um, you know, that ummm part you know of it.


41 posted on 02/10/2008 8:08:09 PM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: reformjoy

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The HILL & BILL Show =

HANOI Radio Propaganda, then & now

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42 posted on 02/10/2008 8:37:37 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: whitedog57

Hillary will get Texas (Hispanic prejudice against blacks)


Republicans and independents can vote in the Texas Democrat primary, which means they can kill the witch once and for all.

Don’t mess with Texas.


43 posted on 02/10/2008 8:45:44 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: GreenHornet

“Urkel” now WHY didn’t I think of that one first?


44 posted on 02/10/2008 9:07:03 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Iron Munro

That’s brilliant!


45 posted on 02/10/2008 9:32:23 PM PST by torchthemummy ("Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country"-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: GOP_Lady

That’s fuuuuuuunny!


46 posted on 02/10/2008 9:41:52 PM PST by torchthemummy ("Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country"-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: whitedog57
This is entertainment. Obama doesn’t stand a chance.

I don't think he does either. The Clintons will figure out a way to beat him one way or another (legal or not).

47 posted on 02/10/2008 9:51:06 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Most southern white men don’t belong to that party any more.

Not if they are real men they don't.

48 posted on 02/10/2008 9:52:41 PM PST by kcvl
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
The HILL & BILL Show =

HANOI Radio Propaganda, then & now

I don't like the programming!

Time to CHANGE the Channel!

49 posted on 02/11/2008 11:43:57 AM PST by reformjoy (Hillary Clinton - High on Power: Will we be safe?)
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