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Businesses need immigrant workers but extremists 'are stirring the pots of hatred'
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 02/10/2008 07:06:28 AM MST | Tom Harvey

Posted on 02/10/2008 9:20:15 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

A little over a year after an immigration raid on the Swift & Co. meatpacking plant in Hyrum, businesses across a wide swath of Utah's economy find themselves in a political limbo.

On the one hand, they want a legal immigrant work force in order to prosper or even to survive. On the other, they have been steamrolled by an opposition that crushed the recent proposal in Congress to reform the nation's immigration laws.

The federal raids took out about 10 percent of Swift's work force in Utah and five other states in December 2006. If that were a there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I moment for other Utah businesses, the reality is that the nation's wink-wink system of employing illegal workers has changed little since then.

Indeed, that was unscored Thursday when immigration agents raided Universal Industrial Sales, Inc., in Lindon, and detained 50 undocumented workers, charged the metal fabrication business with haboring illegal aliens and arrested its human resources manager.

In the Swift case, court records show that the company dutifully filled out required forms known as I-9s when hiring employees. The company also had used a federal program under development called Basic Pilot, which was meant to help identify the illegal use of Social Security numbers. Workers were required to present a Social Security card and another form of government-issued ID with a matching photo. Beyond that, Swift was legally required only to keep the information in its files.

Records show that undocumented Swift workers simply purchased SSNs and IDs on the street for about $800, which easily got them work.

JBS Swift & Co., the new name of the company bought by the Brazilian meatpacker JBS S.A. in July, turned down several requests for interviews.

But experts argue that a meatpacking company the size of Swift had to have known whether it hired workers without proper documents.

"It stretches credulity to state they had no idea they had these workers," said Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C. think tank.

For businesses such as construction, landscaping, agriculture, hospitality, meat processing and food services, hiring immigrants has become a matter of course. But with strenuous opposition to "amnesty" for the 12 million undocumented people already in the U.S. (an estimated 100,000 in Utah) stalling federal immigration reform or other reforms that might create a guest-worker program, Swift's labor problems are now widely shared by others.

"It's now much bigger than a meat-processing issue," said James Mintert, professor of agriculture economics at Kansas State University.

And if the Swift raids exposed the meatpacking industry's practice of hiring low-wage immigrants who used stolen or fake IDs to get jobs they could not have gotten legally, the aftermath also has raised plenty of questions about immigrant labor in Utah - and there appear to be few answers. Normally, business interests in Utah and nationally are politically powerful, but in the case of immigration-reform legislation they backed in Congress this year, they've found themselves overwhelmed. Utah's senators received perhaps 100 calls in opposition for every 10 in favor of the immigration-reform bill that failed to pass the Senate in June, said Clark Ivory, CEO of Ivory Homes, the state's largest home builder.

"The reason that immigration reform has failed is that extreme elements are stirring the pots of hatred. [They] are anti-Hispanic, very vocal and very vindictive with these politicians," Ivory said. "A moderate, thoughtful and quiet voice that comes from business is not heard over that extreme voice that comes from the far right wing."

The business community wants to abide by the law, and it wants the nation to control its borders, he said. But that community also wants reform that provides an adequate skilled and unskilled work force, which has been a constant challenge in recent years.

In the past two decades, Utah's economy has gone through changes that have created a greater need for more low-skilled workers than a native-born population could or would want to fill, said Pamela Perlich of the Bureau of Economic and Business Research at the University of Utah.

During that span, Utah saw a huge boom in commercial and residential construction - projects such as the LDS Church conference center, facilities for the 2002 Winter Olympics and the rebuilding of Interstate 15 and construction of TRAX light rail.

In addition, a demographic shift to a higher percentage of workers with four-year college degrees (10.2 percent in 1960, compared with 26.1 percent in 2000) meant more Utah-born workers landed higher-paying jobs.

"As more of our native-born population moves up the ladder, we still continue to have demand for people in tortilla factories or meatpacking plants or people to clean buildings or make beds in hotels," Perlich argues.

But there are plenty of people inside and outside the business world who don't buy that argument. Robert Wren, for one, thinks something more sinister is in play.

Wren is chairman of UFIRE, a Utah group advocating enforcement of the nation's existing immigration laws, and although he agrees that "business needs a work force," he argues that "what has happened is that having an illegal immigrant work force allows them to get a cheaper employee.

"They aren't willing to pay what the job should be paying to get an American to do it," he said. "And by hiring more and more illegal immigrants, we basically depress the wage rates in America."

Ivory and Perlich counter that it's not that simple and that there is no way to fill available jobs without resorting to immigrant labor. Economists, too, generally agree that the nation as a whole has benefitted from immigrant labor - but disagree on how much native-born, low-skilled workers who directly compete with immigrants have been hurt economically by the influx.

Regardless of who's right, Utah businesses have been lobbying Congress for reforms that would expand the number of visas available for workers, not only those in entry-level jobs but also those in highly skilled positions, such as the high-tech sector.

"Without effective immigration reform, there's going to be a huge shortage of labor for the construction industry," said Scott Parson, president of Staker & Parson Cos., a Salt Lake City sand and gravel, concrete and road construction company. He has been involved in the immigration question on behalf of the Salt Lake Chamber.

Ivory and others worry that with federal legislation stalled and a new presidential administration still a year away, the Utah Legislature might step into the void the way its counterparts have in a few other states, where laws against hiring illegal workers have been tightened and immigrants' use of public services has been restricted.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aliens; cheaplabor; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
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There you have it: If you don't agree to throw your country over to the 3rd world, you're an irrational hater.
1 posted on 02/10/2008 9:20:20 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

LOL! Remember, laws mean nothing to dims. It’s all about perception and feelings...


2 posted on 02/10/2008 9:22:14 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Wandering in the wasteland of GOP RINO's.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"crushed the recent proposal in Congress to reform the nation's immigration laws."

'Reform' my eye -- Shamnesty wanted to dispose of them.

3 posted on 02/10/2008 9:22:54 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Business’s need taxpayers to support their low wage slaves.


4 posted on 02/10/2008 9:23:21 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Look, news media, people are here illegally, using illegal documents, stolen identities, carrying crime records of unknown lengths, moving in and around us with impunity, being let go on their own recognizance even when they are caught doing something illegal.

What part of “illegal” do you not understand? Why can you not understand this is not a form of racism, but a desire to protect ourselves DURING A DANG TERRORIST WAR!

IDIOTS!


5 posted on 02/10/2008 9:24:45 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Since when was enforcing our nation's laws "extremist"?

Typical liberal bull-honkey. Since they can't get away with calling anti-illegal forces "racist" (yeah...since when was illegal a race??), they have to resort to maligning those who dare to uphold our laws as some sort of mob.

Funny how these same people who bash the U.S. for daring to enforce its laws consistently turn a blind eye toward how Mexico treats the illegal aliens in their nation, hm?

6 posted on 02/10/2008 9:25:53 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

You forgot the barf alert


7 posted on 02/10/2008 9:27:18 AM PST by stratboy
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To: ConservativeMind

Swift and others know exactly what they were doing. Meatpacking jobs went from $18/hour to 8-10. They knew that their mainly spanish speaking workforce didn’t come out of thin air and take those low paying jobs.
Those jobs were good jobs for working men with families..they turned them into jobs that couldn’t support one person.


8 posted on 02/10/2008 9:27:34 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
In the Swift case, court records show that the company dutifully filled out required forms known as I-9s when hiring employees.

Dutifully, well why did they need a translator! what a crock,

9 posted on 02/10/2008 9:27:59 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Here we go again! Name calling who don’t agree with you.


10 posted on 02/10/2008 9:28:36 AM PST by Isara
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The reason that immigration reform has failed is that extreme elements are stirring the pots of hatred. [They] are anti-Hispanic

Nice. If you support the rule of law, you are a hateful, extremist bigot.

Did John McCain write this article?

11 posted on 02/10/2008 9:28:42 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

The dims? The dims?

LOL, ah, I think you need to remember which president and senator were trying to push through a ‘not an amnesty’ amnesty.

As for being haters, that comes with the territory when you advocate our nation’s laws be enforced these days.

Our side seems to agree with that as well, sadly.


12 posted on 02/10/2008 9:28:47 AM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Maybe Scott cheapo Parson had better try paying 18 bucks an hour for his help instead of 8 and then he’ll have all the reliable help he needs. The cheap bastard. Cheap lying crimminal hiring bastard.

Now that thats over..I have personally witnessed delevolpers here hire illegals to put up their cookie cutter houses (tract housing) and pay them min wage. Then, after the crappy cheap shacks are done, they slap a 300 thousand dollar price tag on them. Problem is, the slime balls cant sell their crappy houses now.


13 posted on 02/10/2008 9:29:01 AM PST by crz
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Sign me up for the “haters”.


14 posted on 02/10/2008 9:29:44 AM PST by isrul
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To: Oldexpat
they turned them into jobs that couldn’t support one person

It does when you keep them in slave quarters twenty are thirty to a house.

15 posted on 02/10/2008 9:29:53 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

When I see these companies actively recruiting in poor neighborhoods and willing to employ more just out of school workers then I we can talk. Also these companies could sponsor immigrants if they wanted to.


16 posted on 02/10/2008 9:30:02 AM PST by Maelstorm (God never told us to build up government to offload the charity of our hearts.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Clark Ivory, CEO of Ivory Homes, the state's largest home builder.

"The reason that immigration reform has failed is that extreme elements are stirring the pots of hatred. [They] are anti-Hispanic, very vocal and very vindictive with these politicians," Ivory said. "A moderate, thoughtful and quiet voice that comes from business is not heard over that extreme voice that comes from the far right wing."

Clark Ivory can kiss my lily white ass. I'm not a racist of any sort. BTW, if you want to make Mr. Ivory hear the "extreme voice that comes from the far right wing", Ivory Homes has a wesite that lists their corporate phone number as (801) 747-7000. Be polite, be gentle, but be direct and clear.

17 posted on 02/10/2008 9:30:27 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
1858: "But Rhett, without our African slaves, whoever shall pick our cotton cheaply?"

1908: "But Charles, without our child laborers, whoever shall weave our textiles cheaply?"

2008: "But Muffy, without our Mexican illegals, whoever shall pick our lettuce cheaply?

18 posted on 02/10/2008 9:30:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Well, there are millions of unskilled US citizens who are now in jail. Eventually, most of them will get out and need jobs.

Shall we send them around to apply?


19 posted on 02/10/2008 9:32:04 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"A moderate, thoughtful and quiet voice that comes from business is not heard over that extreme voice that comes from the far right wing."

Wrong. Anti-illegal immigration is bi-partison, if not more stringent in left labor/union circles.

20 posted on 02/10/2008 9:32:27 AM PST by Lorianne
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