Businesses need immigrant workers but extremists 'are stirring the pots of hatred'

Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 02/10/2008 07:06:28 AM MST | Tom Harvey

[DoughtyOne]

In the past two decades, Utah's economy has gone through changes that have created a greater need for more low-skilled workers than a native-born population could or would want to fill, said Pamela Perlich of the Bureau of Economic and Business Research at the University of Utah.

Can I just say that this is an ugly comment. If a job is worth doing, shouldn't the work force be paid a decent wage? Why should we tollerate a system that allows a sub-class of people to be paid under scale? I don't care for the implcations of this comment at all.

"Sorry, but my business would fould if I paid more then $3.00 an hour. You've gotta understand this." Well I do understand it. The business has failed. Find something else to do.

[Regulator]

said Scott Parson, president of Staker & Parson Cos., a Salt Lake City sand and gravel, concrete and road construction company

Staker Paving used to have a virtually all white, unionized work force. They got an enormous amount of Salt Lake County and Utah DOT contracts (I-215, for example). They exist to put taxpayer dollars in their pockets (who supports the lion's share of paving?).

Now that was many moons ago that I was exposed to all this. Clearly, in the interim, they have decided that the taxpayers that they take money from are just too damn expensive to employ. Breaking the unions with illegals is better. And Oh By The Way, it's OK for them to break the laws, but God Forbid you don't want to pay taxes that go to them. That's A Law Which Must Never Be Broken, unlike immigration or labor laws, which are apparently not worth the paper they're written on. At least to Staker Paving.

So screw these scum. Hopefully an Arizona style set of laws will be passed in Utah. And garbage like the Parsons and the Stakers will either leave the business or get a little jail time for their Hate Americans practices.

[Kakaze]

ehhh, Sticks & Stones.

I've been called worse by better...they can frankly call me anything they want too.

[isrul]

NO need to explain anything to the predators who want the cheap labor. They care nothing about the country. Nothing at all. It’s the bottom line.

[cripplecreek]

Crack dealers need the police to leave them alone. That doesn’t mean the police should leave them alone.

[Lorianne]

Well said.

[oldbill]

I would like to do an audit of Mr. Ivory’s books. I’ll bet you find that he has grown quite rich in his home building business, because paying employees $10/hr without benefits and taxes is a lot less than the $24/hr plus benefits that he used to pay a journeyman carpenter or drywaller.

Oh - and those legal American tradesmen, who used that just wage to raise a family and send their kids to college and pay taxes and spend into the economy - why they’re either on the welfare rolls or in some part-time low-pay job. Instead of contributing to the economy, they are now a drag on it. And their lives are not so good, either.

But that doesn’t bother Ivory, or the union leaders, or the Democrats, or the RINOs, or the Chamber of Commerce - that’s just good business.

[alice_in_bubbaland]

I was referring to emotion. The dims are big on emotion over substance.

Yes, Pres. Bush and Sen. Juan McSleazy are part of this group and that’s why I will never forgive them for being compliant in the deterioration of this country.

That said, who the heck do we vote for in November? Obama and Clinton will destroy this country.

[Safetgiver]

When I see these companies actively recruiting in poor neighborhoods and willing to employ more just out of school workers then I we can talk..... They won’t work. They know it is a GIVE ME.

[dalereed]

Eliminate welfare (all forms) and there will be plenty of workers,

It’s called make your own way in this world or quit taking up space on this planet.

[oblomov]

Now that thats over..I have personally witnessed delevolpers here hire illegals to put up their cookie cutter houses (tract housing) and pay them min wage. Then, after the crappy cheap shacks are done, they slap a 300 thousand dollar price tag on them. Problem is, the slime balls cant sell their crappy houses now.

At least a lot of the illegals are leaving due to a lack of jobs. This is part of the reason that the employment figures still look robust, despite the huge contraction in construction and housebuilding.

[upchuck]

On the one hand, they want a legal immigrant work force in order to prosper or even to survive.

No, they don't. They want illegal criminal aliens they can pay under the table with a pittance of a salary. Think I'm wrong? Okay, if I'm wrong, then why did this happen:

The federal raids took out about 10 percent of Swift's work force in Utah and five other states in December 2006.

Normally, business interests in Utah and nationally are politically powerful, but in the case of immigration-reform legislation they backed in Congress this year, they've found themselves overwhelmed. Utah's senators received perhaps 100 calls in opposition for every 10 in favor of the immigration-reform bill that failed to pass the Senate in June

Way to go FReepers!! Remember when we crashed the Senate telephone system? Yeah!!!

Guess I'm one of those nasty, filthy haters for wanting my country to have sovereignty over it's borders. So be it!

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Funny how the liberals are full of sob-stories about illegal aliens having their families broken up and they’re starving because their breadwinner got deported. How about some stories about the victims of identity theft?

[B4Ranch]

Now.................

I hope the following 14 reasons are read so many times that the readers get sick of reading them. I have included the URL’s for verification of the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Homeland Security Report
http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf

12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/publications.php?b=deportation

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States’.
http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html#Illegals

The total cost is a whooping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR !

[oldbill]

1858: “But Rhett, without our African slaves, whoever shall pick our cotton cheaply?”
1908: “But Charles, without our child laborers, whoever shall weave our textiles cheaply?”

2008: “But Muffy, without our Mexican illegals, whoever shall pick our lettuce cheaply?
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McGee, you have summed up the whole immigration debate wonderfully.

A hundred years from now people will look back on this society like they do now on the period of American slavery. How could a ruling class of the government and businesses exploit a group of people so terribly and get away with it.
How could a populace tolerate it?

The only difference between the slaveholders of 1858 and the CEOs and Chamber of Commerce types today is that the slave holders at least provided food and shelter for their slaves.

Today’s slave traders force their serfs to fend for themselves, and pass on the costs to the taxpayers. Today’s Uncle Tom Cabins would be charging the residents $400/month rent.

[Night Hides Not]

I've been called worse by better...they can frankly call me anything they want too.

LOL! Me too! Mr. Ivory and his ilk were calling me "babykiller", "sellout", and other choice names back in 1972...all because I accepted a 4-year Army ROTC scholarship.

They now think they're going to hurt my feelings 36 years later by calling me a racist?

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Yep, works great for people who live like pigs and aren’t concerned with what their kids are doing when they’re out “doing the jobs that Americans won’t.”

[mtbopfuyn]

"As more of our native-born population moves up the ladder, we still continue to have demand for people in tortilla factories or meatpacking plants or people to clean buildings or make beds in hotels,"

What the....?!?

[ketsu]

But that doesn’t bother Ivory, or the union leaders, or the Democrats, or the RINOs, or the Chamber of Commerce - that’s just good business.

It used to bother the union leaders quite a bit. Ol Ceasar Chavez was as anti-illegal as they come.

Currently union leaders are waiting for amnesty to play out so they can jump on all the new citizens. I hope they do. Boy won't Ivory get a shock when his newly amnestied Mexicans start unionizing and demanding American wages.

[Night Hides Not]

Ivory and Perlich counter that it's not that simple and that there is no way to fill available jobs without resorting to immigrant labor.

Yet they'll extol the virtues of the "free market", while they illegally screw with the supply and demand of labor.