Posted on 02/13/2008 6:07:45 AM PST by jmaroneps37
McCain will get more crossover voters in the general election than Obama or Hillary will get.
But I will add that percentage wise, McCain will not get as many crossover voters in the general that he got in the primary.
Hillary would never be VP to Obama. That in my opinion is a certainty. Her ego would not allow it. 8 years of sitting in a VP chair instead of the Senate? No way.
Obama’s ego will not let him take a VP position under Hillary. Additinally, he would be unable to make another run in 2012 without seeming to be disloyal to his superior if he accepted a VP position. Much better for Obama to sit in the Senate for 4 years sniping at Hillary and running again.
I agree that Obama and Hillary are not the strongest candidates that the Rats could run. However, either of them has a very good chance of beating a Republican candidate as weak as McCain.
The only wildcard is that if Obama is nominated, race could play a significant factor. But given the public's general disgust with the GOP, it's going to be hard for any Republican to be our next President.
And eighty percent of conservatives doubt the electability of McCain.
Obama, Clinton, McCain, Huckabee all terrible choices.
None of the candidates in the GOP race enjoyed fervent support from the base. But nothing will unite the base into fervently supporting the eventual nominee like a hillary nomination from the dems.
HD I am with you.
No way in hell am I letting my kids be under an Obama Commander In Chief.
It makes me so mad to read the comments about McCain from these self annointed “true conservatives.” Give me a break. McCain isn’t perfect, but he is light years better than Obama.
I think even allowing for the race factor that Hildabeast is easier to beat. Obama will bring enough extra stupid people to the polls to more than make up for race factor losses.
Ralph Nader is thinking about running again and that could save us.
Best case : The RATS have a nasty convention battle and give the nomination to Hildabeast.
McCain picks a real conservative as VP.
Nader/Kooksinish run as Ind moonbats.
Someone posted to an earlier thread that 2 things had to happen for her/him to vote for McCain in November.
1. McCain picks a real conservative as VP.
2. McCain dies before election day.
The ‘Pubs will have to effectively counter his youth and charisma by bringing out the details of his radical stance on most issues. That might be effective in bringing people around. I heard the other night about one of his votes in the Illinois legislature concerning the born-alive-after-abortion bill, basically affording protection for infants who survive abortion by declaring them persons as they lay alive on the table. Obama would not vote for it. To me, that’s a pretty radical stand that most people would recoil from. Perhaps this would be a place to start?
I don’t like McCain but I’m not going to wish for him to die.
Just from reading the comments on FR I'd say that the vast majority aren't happy about McCain being the nominee nor do they think he has much of a chance against an energized Democratic base.
That said, I would never stay home (too many have sacrificed to defend my right to vote and I would never dishonor them) nor would I ever vote for a Dem or third-party. No, the only real choice is to hold my nose and vote for the guy who wants to win in Iraq.
Outside of that, I think McCain is a disaster for the party and, to a lesser degree, for the country. I don't like my choices this cycle and I couldn't be more disappointed with a process (and a party) that allows liberals and RINO's to stick us with a pathetic candidate like McCain.
The democrat convention will be something to watch.
You've got mine. Too much is at stake to risk the future of the country on even a single term of a President Hillary or President Obama. Right now it looks like our choices will be either McCain or Huckabee. While each is far from ideal and I am not a fan of either, I will support either of them against Hillary or Obama. Practically speaking, I just don't see what other choices there are. I'm not going to quit the fight (i.e., stay home, or throw away my vote on some can't-win third party or write-in candidate). This win-by-losing stupid strategy I see offered here on FR and elsewhere (i.e., vote for the 'Rat so they can screw up the country and we can come back in win the next time) is nothing more than a roadmap into the political wilderness for the next 20 years (not to mention a disaster for the country), just like in 1932. We've got to do whatever it takes (within the rules) to defeat Hillobama.
He's just Gary Hart with the Black vote sewn up. I think hes a paper tiger.. If I were McInsane, Id run a couple ads adding up how much all his proposed programs would cost, fo starters. .. i dont think it will be hard to peel the Hispanics and working class whites away from that effete leftist. JMO.
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I would expect that from a Muslim. We have seen them at work in Iraq.
But didn't we have valid alternatives in this primary season? We had people on the ballot early on like Fred Thompson, Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter. Conservatives could have gotten behind those candidates and worked to get them the support they needed to stay in the hunt. For whatever reasons, those candidates failed. They didn't gather enough support. Conservatives didn't turn out in large enough numbers to keep those candidates going. As far as I can tell, there was nothing unfair or illegal about the process that brought us to the point we are. Our candidates simply didn't get enough votes. That's how our system works. If we're now faced with less than optimum choices, it's because we lost, that's all. Now we have to play the best game we can with what we've got. Either that or quit. And quitting a fight is not a conservative value, last I heard.
I think the person who made that reply was stating that there were 2 chances of her/him voting for McCain, slim and none.
I heard on some commentaries on the Hillary-Obama primary contests that Hispanics were supporting Hillary because of a racial thing with blacks and Hispanics. That could be an undercurrent in the overall electoral dynamic. However, do not take that to mean that I advocate exploiting that. We need to focus on character and leadership and experience and stands on issues.
The two party system has failed miserably.
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