Twenty percent of Democrats doubt electability of either Obama or Clinton

The Collins Report ^ | February 13th, 2008 | John F. Allen

[jmaroneps37]

In all the excitement of last night’s primary results an important exit poll item was reported with no follow up comment. While gushing about how 80% of Democrat party primary voters thought “They were ready for a Black man or a woman to be president of the United States.” Hey that sounds great. Eighty percent is a big number. Nevertheless, in the world of politics sometimes less is more. These twenty percent of Democrat primary voters are obviously the most devout liberals in their party. This revelation, whether an admission or projection, indicates the converse is true, twenty percent of them DON’T think either a Black man or a woman can be acceptable as president. What do the vast number of Democrats, those who did not vote, think?

If only twenty percent of Democrats have reservations about Obama and Clinton how can either possibly win? She is a tough political operative backed by the best political consultants. It is not difficult to see them cut that number in half. Democrat voters could be persuaded to vote for her.

Obama would be a different story. He would have to deal with the Bradley Effect. In California before the air came out of Clinton’s balloon, this factor was very evident. Obama “won” every poll and the last one by 13 points. He lost by 10 points. Liberal Democrats, the ones who vote in their primaries, the heart of the Democratic Party lied and when push came to shove they could say they were backing Obama, but they could not vote for Obama. Truth be told, if Obama is the nominee the twenty percent doubt factor will be more likely to swell rather than shrink.

Twenty three points in California, twenty by admission, this election may not be a Republican defeat after all.

[jmaroneps37]

The fact that we are in February with plenty of time will be very helpful to us. The euphoria about a candidate that has nothing to offer and a record that is very alarming has a better chance of burning off with nine months to go. If all of this was happening in September it would be cause to worry. Things can change by the hour in politics.

[geo40xyz]

Its not good enough:-) Lets get this damn number into the high 80%, ASAP...

[wideawake]

Senator Clinton is beatable in a general election.

Senator Obama will be beatable in a general election because if Senator Clinton loses, she has to make sure Obama loses the general election or else she cannot run again until 2016. She will do anything she can to submarine him.

[Night Hides Not]

Its not good enough:-) Lets get this damn number into the high 80%, ASAP...

LOL!!! Yes, we need to get the number into McCain territory!

[Non-Sequitur]

Twenty percent of Democrats doubt electability of either Obama or Clinton.

And how many Republicans on this forum doubt the electability of John McCain? A whole lot more than 20% I'd be willing to bet.

[A Balrog of Morgoth]

Let’s see where we’re at after the MSM does the usual ritual disembowelment of the GOP candidate.

McThusalah is more vulnerable to this then most GOP candidates, given the fact that he doesn’t, to put it delicately, enjoy fervent support from the base.

His base of support are moderate Republicans and independents, who are easily distracted by bright shiny objects...like the one kicking the crap out of Clinton these last few weeks.

[cripplecreek]

So how many republicans doubt the electability of McQueeg or Huck?

Looking at the numbers last night wasn’t real impressive. Hillary was losing with more votes than McCain was winning with.

[Piquaboy]

Baaarack is dumb as a post and cannot answer constitutional questions correctly. If something happens to his telepromter he starts babbling.

[Sursam Abordine]

Obama also has to deal with the Wilder factor. When Doug Wilder ran for VA governor, pre-election polls had him winning by a large margin. On election day, that shrunk to single digits, about 3-5 if I remember. After the election, polls found that people did not want to admit they would not vote for the black candidate, so they lied and voted for the opponent when they got to the booth. Point is, a lot of people are so afraid they will be labeld as racists, they will lie when polled, inflating Obama's numbers. McCain isn;t that great of a candidate for me, but I doubt the numbers thrown about are accurate in a head to head.

[Fishtalk]

I was thinking your exact comment as I read the headline.

Although I agree. I don’t think Clinton’s electable, or Obama. I consider the Obama-worshippers to be a bit like that babe who sang the Youtube thing “I Love Obama”.

They love the fellow but like that singing Youtube wannabe, they don’t generally bother to vote. The love will fade through the long, hot summer, I predict.

We all see how quick they dumped Hillary when somebody, anybody, else was available. So too when up against a pubbie, that is anybody but McCain, the populace just doesn’t like the woman...this is no surprise.

And somebody upthread said something about The Hill not supporting Obama, should he get the nod, that she may have another shot in four years. Which is a good point.

But not mentioned in the headline is my ingrained belief that McCain can’t win either.

so what the hey? We got three candidates running and NONE OF THEM CAN WIN?

Heh.

These two political parties need to seriously overhaul their primary process as the result does not reflect the will of the people in any fashion. This without the mess that will be the Dem convention.

[Mase]

Twenty percent of Democrats doubt electability of either Obama or Clinton

And eighty percent of conservatives doubt the electability of McCain.

[yldstrk]

McCain HAS to be elected and if the pouting people stay home, then the same thing will occur that let the Clintons into office in the first place. Take heed and don’t pout.

[shuckmaster]

They may doubt it but you can bet they will be there voting for it.

[chimera]

Obama will be tough to beat. Almost everyone I talk to has this thing about "change". They are just tired. And when they are, they look to someone new and fresh. No matter that he's an empty-suit Fabian socialist. If McCain is the nominee, people will look at them side by side and being visual creatures will see an old, wrinkled, white-haired man who represents the same old same old, against a young, vigorous, dark, handsome guy who exudes charisma and charm who embodies the "change" theme. At the risk of inciting flames from my FR sister-en, I have a feeling that female voters will be especially susceptible to this phenomenon.

If Huck is the nominee, there will be less visual differences, but the media and the 'Rats will go absolutely ape$heet over his religious background ("Do you really want an evangelical creationist leading the country?"). If he's our nominee, I'll support him, but I have a feeling he'll be lucky to carry a few southern states at best, while Obama will pile up 400+ electoral votes elsewhere.

[ilgipper]

Older people are the most reliable to turn out to vote, and I don’t see Obama winning anywhere close to a majority of this group. Older men, especially. They’ll vote for the war hero. Unless McCain pulls a Dole and falls of the stage, this election will be a close one. Too much is at stake and obama is an extreme leftist out of touch with 85% of the electorate.

[HD1200]

you write: And eighty percent of conservatives doubt the electability of McCain.

Care to support that statement about 80%?

There are not many more conservative than me & my family, but we will vote for McCain. We understand & appreciate the necessity of winning this November. I have two sons in the United States military and I don’t want them answering to a President Obama or Clinton and I ask your help in making sure they don’t have to....

[yldstrk]

Thank you and your sons for your service to our country.

[HD1200]

You write: obama is an extreme leftist out of touch with 85% of the electorate.

How do you know that? Nobody in the press has bothered to ask him to be specific about anything, and his positions on almost everything are artfully vague to date....

[weegee]

And what do polls say about an Obama-Hillary or Hillary-Obama ticket?

[HD1200]

Thank you. 1 US Marines & 1 US Air Force.