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Obama will trounce McCain. He will be the young stud against the old man, a reprise of Clinton versus Dole. Just imagine the picture on stage during the debates with the oldest candidate ever receiving a major party nomination on his first try at the office and in Congress for a quarter of a century against a 46 year old vigorous young man. It will be the past vs the future, the Washington establishment against change. McCain is a dead man walking in such a confrontation.

McCain's stand on the war is unpopular among most Americans, which Obama will exploit. McCain voted against the Medicare prescription drug program, a correct stand among Reps, but not among most seniors and groups like AARP. Obama has energized the Dem base, especially the young and African-Americans. McCain has depressed the Rep base, especially conservatives.

Hillary would be a far better candidate than Obama for the Reps. She has high negatives, along with her husband and the baggage he brings. Hillary voted for the war. Hillary is not likeable and is shrill. Hillary will depress Dem support if she takes the nomination, especially if she uses super delegates to steal it from Obama, the people's choice. Hillary will energize the Rep base far more than Obama or McCain.

If Hillary is the nominee, McCain has a slim chance. If Obama is the nominee, McCain has no chance.

What you are saying in a nut shell, is that McCain is the better Democrat against Hillary but not against Obamma.

I disagree. Obamma is a easy mark to prove that he will be the most leftist president ever. Hillary is not. She has only Bubba baggage and it's not enough to turn republicans out for the vote with McCain as the nominee..

With Obamma, they will be more inclined to vote against the man, rather than vote for McCain.

Also, you pointed out that McCain voted against prescription drugs and would lose the older voters, but how do you square that with the fact he won Florida hands down. He took that vote easily away from my candidate Romney who was big on elder care.

All I can tell you, is that I am not likely to be energized unless Obamma were to take the nomination, and that's the truth of it. I am not very worried about Hillary as president, when I feel that we will lose in any case, but when you put Obamma into the equation, things change. That guy scares the hell out of me, and it's mostly a fear that my fellow veterans all share. It will become more evident if he gets the nomination. This I can guarantee you.

Good summary. I think all of your points are on the money.

Yet another entry in “Be careful what you wish for”... those that fought early against Hillary are now regretting that they were successful.