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Rurudyne's Daily Global Cooling Watch
Brits at their Best ^ | January 31, 2008 | unattributed

Posted on 02/13/2008 7:53:28 AM PST by Rurudyne

Sun's low magnetic activity may portend an ice age

The Canadian Space Agency’s radio telescope has been reporting Flux Density Values so low they will mean a mini ice age if they continue.

Like the number of sunspots, the Flux Density Values reflect the Sun’s magnetic activity, which affects the rate at which the Sun radiates energy and warmth. CSA project director Ken Tapping calls the radio telescope that supplies NASA and the rest of the world with daily values of the Sun’s magnetic activity a “stethoscope on the Sun”. In this case, however, it is the “doctor” whose health is directly affected by the readings.

This is because when the magnetic activity is low, the Sun is dimmer, and puts out less radiant warmth. If the Sun goes into dim mode, as it has in the past, the Earth gets much colder.

Tapping, who was originally from Kent, says that “Typically as you go through the ten or eleven year solar activity cycle you see the numbers go up or down. The lowest number is 64 or 68. The numbers 71 or 72 are very low, but they usually start to go up. We are at the end of a cycle, but the numbers still haven’t gone up. We have been joking around coffee that we may be seeing the Sun about to shut down.” (To date Tapping has been far more concerned about global warming.)





Here is the link to the latest flux report: http://www.drao-ofr.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/icarus/www/current_flux.shtml

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Just a little rabble rousing on my part.

I'll post daily values from the above link.

Today's values are:
Flux Density Values in sfu for 22:00 on 2008:02:12

Julian Day Number : 2454509.406

Carrington Rotation Number : 2066.683

Observed Flux Density : 0072.2

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0070.4


URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0063.4
As you can see, it still isn't going up.

If anyone else has other juicy links or comments to demonstrate how super serial our situation is, or even just pictures of Manbearpig, please chime in. –.^

BTW ... all fun aside, global cooling is BAD.
1 posted on 02/13/2008 7:53:37 AM PST by Rurudyne
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To: Rurudyne
To get the flux up again, they just need to buy a Mr. Fusion.
2 posted on 02/13/2008 8:05:32 AM PST by Rokurota (.)
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To: Rurudyne; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; Beowulf

Beam me to Planet Gore !

The Best Global Warming Videos on the Internet

WeatherQuestions
Roy Spencer, the Official Climatologist of the EIB Network

3 posted on 02/13/2008 8:06:19 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Rurudyne
We're all gonna die!!!!

4 posted on 02/13/2008 8:06:59 AM PST by Lazamataz (Why isnít this in Breaking News????)
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To: Rurudyne; xcamel

clickable link/solar activity info.

http://www.drao-ofr.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/icarus/www/current_flux.shtml


5 posted on 02/13/2008 8:07:36 AM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Rurudyne

Rurudyne?

Any relation to the Yoyodyne industries?

Do you know Dr John Bigbootie?


6 posted on 02/13/2008 8:09:18 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Rurudyne; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...


FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown
Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH

The Great Global Warming Swindle Video - Back On The Net!!(Mash Here!)



7 posted on 02/13/2008 8:11:41 AM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: Rurudyne

I’d like to point out the obvious... we’re at the bottom of the current solar cycle, which means yes, indeed solar flux is low, geomagnetic field will be relatively quiet. Technically, we are probably starting on the upslope of the next cycle (24) so we will see an increase in solar activity over the next 5 or so years as sun spots increase, the sun becomes more active, and magnetic fields start to shift again.

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SWN/
http://www.dxlc.com/solar/

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080104_sunspot.html


8 posted on 02/13/2008 8:12:32 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

I agree with your assessment generally, but the flux density number has noticeably dropped in the last 12 days. This would indicate that sun activity/magnetism has not yet reached the bottom of its current cycle. To think it could get cooler before it starts warming again! Like you, I think the next warming period will be short and mild leading into an even cooler period (but what do I know? I’m not a washed up politician from TN!).


9 posted on 02/13/2008 8:30:46 AM PST by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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To: Rurudyne

Joint USAF/NOAA Report of Solar and Geophysical Activity 12 Feb 2008
SDF Number 043 Issued at 2200Z on 12 Feb 2008

IA. Analysis of Solar Active Regions and Activity from 11/2100Z to 12/2100Z: Solar activity was at very low levels. The visible solar disk remained spotless.

IB. Solar Activity Forecast: Solar activity is expected to remain at very low levels


10 posted on 02/13/2008 8:44:20 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: Rurudyne

bflr


11 posted on 02/13/2008 8:47:23 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Thickman

After a solid week of sunspots — January 29 to February 4 — the following three days have been blank. February 2 was an active geomagnetic day with a solar wind stream spewing from a coronal hole near sunspot 982. Another solar wind stream from a coronal hole is expected to strike Earth on Sunday, February 10 causing unsettled conditions.

Several readers wrote to ask about the recent sunspot mentioned in last week’s bulletin, hoping it was a Solar Cycle 24 spot. Alas, sunspot 982 had Cycle 23 polarity. Any Cycle 24 spots in the near future will be reported here.

Seems the reduced solar activity of the past few months is continuing. The longer it continues, the more validity the point about global cooling in the near future will have. Cycle 24 is already late by historical standards...........ARRL Amateur Radio News - Jan 18 8:51 AMWe’ve seen another seven days with no sunspots. After observing the first sunspot of Solar Cycle 24, we hope to see more and more of these, signaling the beginning of the next sunspot cycle and the end of Solar Cycle 23.


12 posted on 02/13/2008 8:52:42 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: dynachrome

Ok ... so what am I doing wrong that my links wrapped in url tags don’t work?


13 posted on 02/13/2008 8:54:23 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: MrB

Alas, poor John Bigbootie, I knew him well!


14 posted on 02/13/2008 8:56:17 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Dat true.

But this is the winter of our discount tent.


15 posted on 02/13/2008 8:57:43 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne
From what I can tell, any other html in a post kills the clickable link.

dunno why that is and I am probably wrong and someone will be along to correct me. I put a paragraph symbol in this post and voila, no clickable link. http://www.drao-ofr.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/icarus/www/current_flux.shtml

16 posted on 02/13/2008 9:19:39 AM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: dynachrome

“From what I can tell, any other html in a post kills the clickable link.”

Ok ... THAT’S bizarre.

Thanks anyway! Now I know.


17 posted on 02/13/2008 9:29:25 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Thickman

What’s Fred Thompson (or any politician) got to do with science again? LOL!

As for “global warming” in general, sure it DOES exist. Man MADE global warming is wholly different subject, and that is where the LEFT tries to point the finger, without actually pointing the finger. Notice, for instance that when anyone says “global warming” everyone automatically assumes we’re talking about “man made global warming” and everyone (all of us who are Conservatives for instance) jump the poster, caller (on a show) or about anything else, including politicians, because we assume (wrongly in some cases) that we’re all talking about the same thing.

From a purely “astronomy” point of view, “global warming and cooling” exists, because of the sun. Period. Ok, with some minor complications to that, but essentially, our Ice Ages and Warming Periods are ALL dictated by solar, and some internal, volcanic phenomena. (There are some ideas that massive dust clouds either drift past us, or we drift through every so many thousands of years, which scattered heat and light from the sun, thus dropping temps.)

So... in my LEARNED opinion (astrophysics, astronomy, physics) Global warm does indeed exist, as does global cooling effects. However, to say that these things are MAN MADE is a completely made up story, used by anti-Capitalists to try to get a handle on “global Capitalism” and to try to bring us under some kind of socialist scheme of things.

Oh, and for the records, I have NO PROBLEM with recycling things (I don’t do it on a regular basis) and with alternative power sources. In fact, I think we all ought to go “solar” in areas where we have plenty of sunlight. Eventually it will be cheaper, and we can produce our OWN power, without regard to having to pay some company to provide it for us (and believe me in emergency situations, I WANT to be able to produce my own energy - and I DO).

So... all that said... Man made Global Warming is hogwash, and if anything I tend to agree with the originally assessment that we’re going to see cooling of the planet before we see warming spinning us off into some “Venus like atmosphere” even WITH all the CO production by vehicles...


18 posted on 02/13/2008 9:55:50 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Thickman

Oh, yeah...

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/FLUX/flux.html

Check that out too, and you can see that this is a 2800 mhz radio flux. If you examine this carefully, you can see we are actually bottoming out even now.

I have doubts that the sun will just “Stop” acting like it has for the past recorded history. Further if you examine sunspot numbers, you will see that the curves and peaks and valleys track year by year in a similar fashion.

We only have radio data from the 1950s or so, but sun spot data goes back a few hundred years now.

Our sun is a variable star that changes it’s radio intensity every 11 years, and IF you were an observer a good distance from the sun, you would see it’s light intensity vary slightly over that time period as well (as sun spots develop and fade). This is probably very difficult to measure (and I sure can’t tell the difference up close haha), but I’m sure that since we can currently measure the variability of stars’ light over time we could measure the sun at a distance.

My point is that “variable stars” - which we now tend to believe includes near every star out there (for reasons too complex to go into at this point) change constantly, some on a short time scale, others on a very long time scale.

The fact is, we simply don’t know EVERYTHING there is to know about stars, and the sun being the closest to us has not give up all it’s secrets. I am not sure I want to see some of them up close and personal either!


19 posted on 02/13/2008 10:13:38 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: MrB

He is closely related to John Smallberries


20 posted on 02/13/2008 10:48:43 AM PST by Holicheese (1-21-09 Hillary starts to destroy America!)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

To this I would add that all historical evidence is that warm is good.

By this I mean that in historical times past when we can infer that when it has been generally warm (sometimes warmer than now) that human civilization has flourished; also, when times have been cooler, never mind outright ice ages, things have been generally bad for civilization.

Since agrarian people are tied closely to the fortunes of nature in general, it really isn’t a stretch to say that warm has also been good for nature too just as cold has been universally bad.

Possibly the most fraudulent aspect of “global warming” isn’t really the man-made panic over man-sourced pollution, but the total dishonestly of the truth of if it is bad to be warmer at all

To listen to the AGW crowd you would have to imagine that Rome’s rise on the back of her stable agriculture (that fed the legions) and her decline as her native agriculture became unreliable had nothing to do with the weather.

Likewise to see the rise of both a prosperous Europe and of the Mississippian peoples (as examples) during the “little optimum” and their subsequent woes (or collapse) during that little cold snap we came out of only 150-160 years ago had nothing to do with the weather.

Yes, I’ll say it loud and strong: global warming is good. Or, put another way, what did those poor polar bears do to survive during the little optimum when there weren’t any Democrats to worry about them?

But as for the sun’s performance, you are right to say we don’t know what it will do despite our reasonable expectations about what it might do based on what we’ve observed in the past.


21 posted on 02/13/2008 10:54:12 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

Absolutely correct. Before there was “technology” and our current (and recently passed) ages of Information and Industry basically permitted people to remain PUT, mass exoduses of people around the world from region to region occurred.

There have been several studies of where people lived, and how they migrated across Europe. One of those studies showed that most people are descended from a few people in a recent past (several thousand years ago now) and that there was some kind of disaster that killed most people on the planet. (I would guess it was an asteroid or something).

Still, those people survived because they moved to warmer climates apparently.

It’s thought that modern man lived through and became what we are today, while the Neanderthal race of humans died because they were more adept at living in COLDER climates, while modern man moved to and took over warmer climates. As the Ice Age climates fell back so did Neanderthal - whom eventually failed.

At least that’s the theory. There’s starting to be a bit of evidence to show this was probably the case.

Even so, warm IS good, and it allows us to grow more, feed more, create more population... and to me, this is a good sign we should be pushing for the Stars sooner, than later. While we have the technology and abilities, and while we can advance our human race on the planet, we should be pushing to move beyond this planet eventually.

PERHAPS we won’t go the way of the dinosaur and 99% of everything that’s already lived on this planet, huh?


22 posted on 02/13/2008 11:05:59 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: MrB
“Big-boo-TAY! TAY!”
23 posted on 02/13/2008 11:13:04 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog

Gosh, how did I know that FReepers would know what I was referring to?


24 posted on 02/13/2008 11:31:26 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

We’re an eclectic bunch...

I always liked that film, and it was recently released on DVD.

Just for fun, look at the new Johnny Depp film “Sweeny Todd” and the makeup job he wears. Look just a little like Dr. Emilio Lizardo?

Heh!


25 posted on 02/13/2008 11:43:31 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: Rurudyne
BTW ... all fun aside, global cooling is BAD.

Under normal circumstances that would be a very uncontroversial observation. However, given the current hysteria over global warming, we might discover that the political benefits of global cooling outweigh the economic costs.

In other words, a continuing belief in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming will have enormous worldwide long-term economic costs as CO2 emissions are regulated, and equally enormous political costs as our various freedoms (including freedom of speech in opposition to global warming orthodoxy) are suppressed.

Whereas a significant and irrefutable reduction in current global temperatures, along with credible predictions of future temperature declines as the sun's output diminishes and we enter a Maunder Minimum, will discredit the global warming alarmists. It will take awhile, and they won't go down easily, but it will become harder and harder for them to maintain that anthropogenic global warming is going to destroy the earth when the earth keeps getting cooler.

If this derails the agenda of Gore acolytes, it may well compensate for the economic disadvantages of cooling. After all, we have the technology to keep ourselves warm. I like living in sunny southern California, but I was born and raised in Wisconsin and I can survive in a colder climate. Improved nuclear power and other advanced energy sources will be developed long before the slow pace of cooling can have a drastic impact on our lives.

26 posted on 02/13/2008 1:36:33 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: Rurudyne

What’s the TAX we need to pay to stop this???


27 posted on 02/13/2008 1:42:47 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: dpwiener
As a card carrying cynic I respect what you're saying.

Incidentally, they've already updated at the observatory (the previous examples were yesterday's):
Flux Density Values in sfu for 20:00 on 2008:02:13

Julian Day Number : 2454510.322

Carrington Rotation Number : 2066.717

Observed Flux Density : 0070.5

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.7


URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0061.8
We may not have bottomed out JUST yet.
28 posted on 02/13/2008 1:54:32 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

This story is a significant exageration.

Solar flux is low, of course, like it always is at the bottom of the solar cycle but the current figures are not that unusual.

This cycle is a long one. There is definitely some correlation with declining global temperatures and longer solar cycles so that makes it important. But it isn’t significantly longer than the average yet.

Before articles like this appear, the lack of a new cycle starting would have to be played out for another 6 months or more.

If that does happen, however, then we should start worrying because there will likely be crop failures and colder temperatures like the last drops in solar activity in the early 1800s and Maunder Minimum in the 17th century.

But solar cycle 24 will probably start in a few more months.


29 posted on 02/13/2008 7:23:35 PM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: Rurudyne
I understood there was ONE reverse polarity sunspot in early December 2007, then ONE more since then somewhere near the middle of January. So it’s like the cycle 24 is trying to start, but has absolutely no momentum or energy yet.

If so, wasn’t the original predictions for cycle 24 supposed to have it starting (going through this minimum period) around the middle of April LAST year?

30 posted on 02/13/2008 7:41:58 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Rurudyne
Check out this one....

What shall we call the next minimum?
31 posted on 02/13/2008 7:49:08 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

How long do we have before we start seeing a reduction in temperatures?

I think we are seeing them now, but we have people like Hansen cooking the books.


32 posted on 02/13/2008 8:01:03 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: dpwiener
Whereas a significant and irrefutable reduction in current global temperatures, along with credible predictions of future temperature declines as the sun's output diminishes and we enter a Maunder Minimum, will discredit the global warming alarmists. It will take awhile, and they won't go down easily, but it will become harder and harder for them to maintain that anthropogenic global warming is going to destroy the earth when the earth keeps getting cooler.

I agree, but never underestimate the ability of the AGW alarmist to lie. Remember there are trillions in $$ and a religion at stake.

Just look at 2007, the oceans cooled (That's 75% of the "global" in global warming right there), Antarctica froze to record levels, and whole southern hemisphere suffered through one of it's worst winters in a century and it seemed every week there was a post here on freereublic of record cold or snow somewhere.

Yet despite that, they claim 2007 was the 5th warmest year recorded, or even worse that fraud James Hansen at the GISS claimed 2007 was the 2nd warmest year (though to give credit where credit is due, even most alarmist don't take him serious anymore)

The simple fact is even if it does get colder, they can just lie. Even during the Little Ice Age there were still heat waves, hurricanes and droughts, so all they have to do is to continue highlight the warm/extreme events while dismissing/ignoring the cold ones and the sheepe will still buy it. Especially if Hillary or Obama get in there, then expect record temps every year no matter what is really happening.

A cooling event like between 1945-1976 or even the cool temps of the late 1800's - early 20th century won't do, it's probably have to take a Maunder Minimum type climate to discredit AGW in most people's brainwashed eyes.

33 posted on 02/13/2008 9:06:41 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: JustDoItAlways; Kozak; Robert A. Cook, PE; I got the rope; dpwiener; tcrlaf; BrewingFrog; MrB; ...

JustDoItAlways ... I understand and you are right, it isn’t –yet– time to invest in a portfolio entirely of canned beans and shotgun shells. Not by a long shot.

But rummaging around in Kozak’s link produced some interesting comments by those posters (aside from calling any possible minimum the “Gore Minimum” ... which would be choice).

“For instance, the first spotless day after solar maximum occurred in January 2004. Since that day, 46 months have elapsed and there is still no minimum at hand. This is an unusually long period (from first spotless day to minimum) compared to the last eight cycles, SC16-23. The average period for those cycles was 33 months with a standard deviation of +/- 5 months.” Harold Vance 10/27/07

John A had written earlier: “DR if that was supposed to be the start of the new cycle all the way back in 2006, then someone turned the machine back off.”

So it would seem that it isn’t just that cycle 24 is slow starting but that we’ve been extra slow getting here.

If indeed the observed normal maximum duration has been 38 months before now (33 +/- 5), it’s the length of the extra time that is “unusual” (now at 49 and sputtering according to our own Robert Cook). And since this is sunspot activity they are talking about here we have a few more than 50 years worth of data we are dealing with ... about just enough so any conclusions we might draw are NOT ENTIRELY SPURIOUS. –.^

Still, it could be bad if the cycles are getting longer.

I got the rope, we have already seen some unexpected weather (seriously, snow in Bagdad of all places?) and it only has to continue into late spring to seriously hurt some population groups (especially those poor saps around the world living without the benefits of liberty ... they always seem to be living closer to the edge).

And dpweiner, we must not forget that it was the little ice age that helped to inspire all this socialist lunacy in the first place. While we might hope for some sanity in relief of AGW politics in the short term, if things do get bad I can hardly imagine anything worse than a new minimum in a world already ravaged by socialism, communism and relativism.

It reminds this Christian be a bit too much of a story where world government gains power amidst terrible famine.


34 posted on 02/13/2008 9:48:20 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
One of those studies showed that most people are descended from a few people in a recent past (several thousand years ago now) and that there was some kind of disaster that killed most people on the planet. (I would guess it was an asteroid or something).

It was the eruption of

Toba Supervolcano
35 posted on 02/13/2008 10:02:51 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
What’s Fred Thompson (or any politician) got to do with science again? LOL!

I meant the other TN politician (Albore). If I remember correctly, Fred was the only on who expressed cynicism of the whole AGW thing.
36 posted on 02/13/2008 10:15:23 PM PST by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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To: I got the rope

ctually since 1998.


37 posted on 02/13/2008 10:35:20 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Thickman

I knew you were talking about Gore. I was being funny too! :)


38 posted on 02/14/2008 5:52:35 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Kozak

Ah, you’re RIGHT, I DO remember reading that it was Toba. Just forgot I guess. Actually, I was thinking it had something to do with an asteroid because of something I was watching on TV the other night, but the two incidents were millions of years apart and I must have muddled them up in my head somewhere.

(The thing I was watching a couple nights ago was talking about an extinction of 99% of the currently living species at the time and brought about the RISE of the dinosaurs, rather than the fall).


39 posted on 02/14/2008 5:54:44 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Rurudyne

Discovery Channel has a big special coming up, I think this weekend, called 6 Degrees changing the world. Or something like that. IT IS pure propaganda. From what I see on their advertisements, 2 degrees melts the ice caps, 4 degrees turns the Amazon into sand dunes, and 6 degrees puts NY City under 200 feet of water.


40 posted on 02/14/2008 5:56:13 AM PST by RetiredArmy (VOTED: Disgruntled Voter of the Month)
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To: Rurudyne

February 14th update

Flux Density Values in sfu for 18:00 on 2008:02:14

Julian Day Number : 2454511.239

Carrington Rotation Number : 2066.751

Observed Flux Density : 0070.1

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.3

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0061.5


41 posted on 02/14/2008 10:56:24 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

An archive of all readings can be found on their FTP site. They do three readings per day.

ftp://lynx.drao.nrc.ca/pub/solar/FLUX_DATA/fluxtablerolling.text


42 posted on 02/14/2008 5:38:23 PM PST by chpmass
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To: chpmass

Thanks!


43 posted on 02/14/2008 6:41:33 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: chpmass

I possibly spoke too soon.

The link doesn’t seem to the working.


44 posted on 02/14/2008 7:08:46 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

Try this link, then click on the “Tabulated Flux Values from December 2006 to Present.” That should link you to the archived data.

http://www.drao-ofr.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/icarus/www/daily.html


45 posted on 02/14/2008 7:17:14 PM PST by chpmass
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To: dpwiener
Some very good points concerning how a drastic Solar Induced Global Cooling Period might help prevent the Draconian Economic Controls many of the Global Socialists are now proposing. There is however one major overriding factor that will make the AGW crowd more or less obsolete rather quickly. If cooling continues and intensifies, Weather Driven Migrations will spark Regional Wars. My guess is the Chinese will make a move southward. They have over a Billion mouths to feed. Russia will also make a move south toward the Middle East and toward Western Europe. These moves could begin to occur within 2-3 Northern Hemisphere winters if cooling continues to worsen. In the short term the North Koreans may rush south for food. These are worse case scenarios, but scenarios that should be considered nonetheless.
46 posted on 02/15/2008 2:38:20 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Rurudyne

A related thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1952624/posts


47 posted on 02/15/2008 3:26:30 AM PST by Rocky
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To: justa-hairyape
Speaking of Russia and China.

Village in western Kamchatka stranded by heavy blizzard

PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY, February 14 (Itar-Tass) - The village of Oktyabrsky with a population of 3,000 in the western coast of the Kamchatka Peninsula was stranded from the outside world by a heavy blizzard. The traffic to the village was closed for all types of transport, Itar-Tass learnt from a man on duty at the Kamchatavtodor Company.

“There is zero visibility” on the highway, linking the village with the district centre of Ust-Bolsheretsk and the rest of the Kamchatka Territory, the source said. Wind gusts reach 30-35 metres per second. Similar weather conditions were registered in the Sea of Okhotsk, bordering Kamchatka, as well as in the southern tip of the peninsula.

The situation may deteriorate there over the next few hours, warned the Kamchatka weather centre. Wind gusts may reach a gale force of 40-45 metres per second. All appropriate services received warnings of stormy weather.

The south of Kamchatka is battered by a cyclone which approached from the Pacific. Gradual weather improvement is expected in the morning of February 15.

48 posted on 02/15/2008 3:37:43 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

“In the short term the North Koreans may rush south for food.”

How is starvation any change for NK? The NK army would never let them leave ... though they might start a BBQ if things get bad enough.

BTW ... I said it before and I’ll say it again, it was the little ice age that helped to spawn all this socialist crappola so I’m pessimistic that it will get any better if things get cold again. I would predict calls for enhanced UN power to deal with uprooted people all paid for with direct taxes in the vein of the Law of the Sea fiasco.


49 posted on 02/15/2008 10:37:08 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: justa-hairyape

Any reference to Kamchatka brings back memories of sending massive armies from Alaska in preparation of sweeping down on into China, usually in a pincer move from the Middle East.

Playing Risk with old friends. Good times! ^.^

PS: I hope those poor people get some relief soon.


50 posted on 02/15/2008 10:43:38 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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