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To: jdm
It’s quicker, easier and more effective to vote out the leftist bums who are not on the conservative agenda. You don’t move out of your house when roaches invade the kitchen. You get rid of the roaches. You don’t keep the bottom 10% of the producers in your company. You fire them and replace them and fire the bottom 10% again next year.

A third party would cause conservatism to wander in the wilderness for years to come while liberalism coalesces around whatever trendy bag of hollow-blathered socialism suits their fancy.

Let’s clean up our own party to succeed and leave the tried and true third party failures to the Greens and Independents. -Wb

8 posted on 02/13/2008 5:23:33 PM PST by Wagonboy (STOP GLOBAL WHINING!)
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To: Wagonboy
A third party would cause conservatism to wander in the wilderness for years ...
Do you think voting for a moderate to liberal Republican Candidate will keep Conservatives from wandering for years as well? A win by McCain changes the electoral formula. This will just make Conservatives wander inside the Republican Party where they are easier to ignore. Think about the Black vote for the Democrats. So reliable that they are easily ignored.

Remember that the Republican Party was formed from the ashes of the Whig Party.

10 posted on 02/13/2008 5:39:26 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: Wagonboy
It’s quicker, easier and more effective to vote out the leftist bums who are not on the conservative agenda……………………//………………..

Let’s clean up our own party to succeed and leave the tried and true third party failures to the Greens and Independents

At first glance it would make sense to clean house by voting out the “leftist bums” but that won’t get the job done.

What you’re overlooking is that the party is not run by elected officials that can be voted out. It’s not just the “inhabitants” of the house but the house itself that is the problem.

15 posted on 02/13/2008 6:35:40 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Wagonboy
Let’s clean up our own party to succeed and leave the tried and true third party failures to the Greens and Independents. -Wb

But how? Year after year many of us have been working to clean up our own party with our activism, our money and our votes, Yet a combination of the GOP establishment and some GOP voters keep giving us bad, big government, unconservative candidates. Now it's time to try something else.

43 posted on 02/14/2008 8:48:02 AM PST by ellery (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock -T. Jefferson)
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To: Wagonboy

Until the last year or so I would have agreed with you, but the Republican house is infested with termites and not cockroaches. The termites have destroyed the stucture, the ideas, the values, and tenets of a party that was only marginally conservative to begin with. I believe it is time to burn the house and build a new party.
A new conservative party will likely be a minority party for years to come. It will be, however, in a position to gain membership and control when the socialist government ultimately collapses of its own bureaucratic weight. Only then can the ideas of America’s Founding Fathers be put into place and only then can freedom and liberty be restored.


63 posted on 02/14/2008 4:10:35 PM PST by Jay Redhawk ((North of the Red River is the Land of the Redman, red dirt, and red state attitude))
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