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Marry Him! The case for settling for Mr. Good Enough
Atlantic Monthly ^ | March 2008 | Lori Gottlieb

Posted on 02/14/2008 6:25:05 AM PST by reaganaut1

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To: driftdiver

I think that is so unfair to say. I am 40, college educated, have a good job, and I am told I have good taste in clothes and no my personal habits are very good (I ask people to always be honest with me if I am committing a social faux pas). I am also in good shape, have all my hair, and told I am good looking by several women.

As for egos, by just saying the above probably makes you think I am. But I know who I am. I have been told I want “9s and 10s” but I date all kinds of women.

Do you think it is fun knowing a sister has “the grandchildren” as a pull whenever there is a family get together? Is it fun when there is a couples event and of course I can’t go? Is it fun when I am the “third wheel” when people are coupled?

I think you are vastly unfair to single people.


61 posted on 02/14/2008 7:29:57 AM PST by FUMETTI (Hillary, burn those pantsuits)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Women demanded equality and got it.”

My opinion is that they also mis defined equality, to mean equality of tasks and work respect. As a result, they no longer focus on where their real talents are and then tell men that they should not be appreciated for the nurturing talents that they have.

This has confused a whole generation of men, and as a result these men are no longer willing to take the risks.

(Present FReeperettes excluded from my opinion.)


62 posted on 02/14/2008 7:29:58 AM PST by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

Well good luck on your marriage.

Mostly I responded because of your hilarious “soylent squirrel” tag!


63 posted on 02/14/2008 7:31:21 AM PST by Fishtalk (If you liked the above post, remember I've got a Blog you might like to visit.)
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To: reaganaut1

She should tell them not to be feminists- I am a male, and in my generation too many of the young ladies are either blatant (or because of the mass media/education environment feminists by defacto)! Well I intend in being a Victorian era male where I am a the head of the household, no question, but I WILL be the protector of my woman/wife even to the POINT OF DEATH. I will respect her and her opinions, but I am the leader the Knight in shining Armor, and she is the damsel in distress. Any woman that tries to take my authority is NO MAS to me, I WILL NOT marry a feminist no matter how beautiful!! If she doesn’t like it, then we will just have to move on.


64 posted on 02/14/2008 7:32:05 AM PST by JSDude1 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56306 "MoveON McCain" To find McCain's Sorros)
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To: JenB
If you’re expecting a guy with a trust fund, looks like a movie star, and the romantic qualities of a fictional character, you’ll be disappointed.

That and things like magazine and day time talk shows I think have skewed what women thing is the right guy. Maleness is not really valued anymore and is seen as a down side. If ya don't like your guy being masculine you are going to have issues sooner or later.
65 posted on 02/14/2008 7:34:22 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: driftdiver
Some have horrendous personal habits, over inflated ego’s, or are unwilling to make any changes to their lives for the sake of a relationship.

As a recently divorced person and entering the dating scene, I think partly right. Not so much the personal habits, but more so the unwillingness to work at a relationship, and a little of inflated ego.

66 posted on 02/14/2008 7:35:02 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: rintense

“You’re right about women now being the aggressors, which for a traditional, romantic gal like myself, makes dating kinda hard when the guys expect to get jumped within two weeks of dating (if not the first night).”

I wish I could meet a gal that believed this and behaved in that manner. I am sick and tired of the pressure that sex, and expectations of sex, place on the individuals involved in simply dating. However, I’ve had some women break it off very early because I wasn’t acting fast enough.

At this stage in my life I have simply given up and am pretty ambivilent about the whole dating thing. Working Dave Ramsey’s system helps a lot in not really missing it.


67 posted on 02/14/2008 7:36:09 AM PST by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
How many men have settled for Miss “Oh my God I’ll never drink again”?

LOL!~

68 posted on 02/14/2008 7:36:11 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: najida; FredHead47
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69 posted on 02/14/2008 7:36:45 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

No, even with online dating, it is more difficult to meet people than even 10 years ago. Thanks to sexual harassment, men and women are on eggshells in the office, and just saying you look nice today could get you fired. Bars and clubs...meat markets, get an STD. Some friends just do not “set up” their single friends, they fear if it does not work out their friendship will be affected. And joining activities? Come on, who has time for that? You end up going to Barnes and Noble and pray for just that “Sleepless in Seattle” accidental bump into one another leading to asking for a number.


70 posted on 02/14/2008 7:37:02 AM PST by FUMETTI (Hillary, burn those pantsuits)
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To: TalonDJ

Not only do they not know how to be choosy,

they’re taught that being discriminating (ie, choosing the better over the worse) is a “sin” in the politically correct times that we’re in.

If you don’t go out with the guy that has his pants hanging around his thighs, you’re being intolerant, or perhaps even racist.


71 posted on 02/14/2008 7:37:11 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Bear_Slayer

are you serious?

if there was not such thing as bad sex for men, there would not be such thing as GOOD Divorce.


72 posted on 02/14/2008 7:37:52 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: najida

Heh...well, and I’d hope that if the right person comes along (and by right, I don’t mean perfect, but I do mean right), I won’t come back to these threads and post “single people are *messed up*!!” messages. ;-)

I’m out of popcorn today, though...


73 posted on 02/14/2008 7:38:26 AM PST by RosieCotton (A place for everything and everything in its place - 2008 Resolution #1)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Women want “bad boys.” You know, popular culture demands the popular with the ladies kinds of men to be players, cocky, and arrogant.

I always tell people that you can find a lot of women who like “bad boys”....over in the battered women’s shelters.


74 posted on 02/14/2008 7:38:35 AM PST by FUMETTI (Hillary, burn those pantsuits)
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To: TalonDJ

That’s not true.

Pick up any chicklit book in the store...or download any ebook from an erotica sight.

That’s all the books have are uber-masculine, super-protective, ultra-male men. Even by very lib authors, just about every alpha in these stories would make John Wayne look like a pansy. Any yea, soldiers, special forces, warriors...so flags and patriotism of any century is a real turn on.

The kicker is, they actually love women, adore their females....and want them to be happy.

Wow, what a concept/ sarc

Oh, and they happen to be incredible in bed.


75 posted on 02/14/2008 7:38:48 AM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Sorry to hear about the divorce, KC...

Check this out for a better “pool”:
http://www.equallyyoked.com


76 posted on 02/14/2008 7:40:01 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: reaganaut1
Those of us who choose not to settle in hopes of finding a soul mate later are almost like teenagers who believe they’re invulnerable to dying in a drunk-driving accident.

We lose sight of our mortality. We forget that we, too, will age and become less alluring. And even if some men do find us engaging, and they’re ready to have a family, they’ll likely decide to marry someone younger with whom they can have their own biological children. Which is all the more reason to settle before settling is no longer an option.

Paragraph after paragraph, this article was like the above; excellent post. But I must offer a few comments:

Not one word was put to the issue of what 'marriage' is for. The assumption is that it is to banish lonliness, that settling is a smart strategy to avoid that fate. Yet, if women were taught that marriage has a far greater purpose than that, articles like these wouldn't have such a following.

Marriage is religion's bugle. Inescapably, religion, pick your flavor, including secular humanism, drives the model of marriage government. Marriage is, quite loudly, that religion's most visible instrument of 'over here! over here!'. (And as the decades go by, one would suspect, Secular Humanism is in deep trouble, because looking at those marriages is like looking at a Jackson Pollack painting - who, really, wants to be an artist like that? But the REAL issue is that the religious alternatives are not up to snuff, yet.)

Christianity is popular for a variety of reasons, but a big one is that Christian marriages, executed according to Christian principals, build boys into the kind of men women don't settle for .... these types are chased.

So, the whole article is a religious pep talk to like-minded humanist women, who may happen to be young and unmarried. And 'settling' is encouraged, because years of chasing secular humanist men will always prove a point: such men are quite selfish, and will largely remain selfish during the marriage as a rule. But it's better than being 'alone' she says. To any of those women readers, consider this: you do the man you settle for, and your culture, a big disservice: you REWARD their selfishness, by settling for them. Then, when you have their sons, and they watch how Dad treats you, you are culpable in reproducing such selfishness - and you doom your daughters to the same culture.

What she could have discussed, however briefly, is how her parents set her up such that she would be positioned to write such a depressing, and flat out wrong, article in mid-life. She could have discussed any of these women's parents roles in the matter. But true to the religion, not a word ... because in that religion, once you are of 'age', you are on your own. What sad bunk; what a sad fate for her son. He'll read her words some day, and aspire to .... what? A man worth settling for? What utter, distilled bunk.

No, the deep, not pretty truth, is that this article, as with so much other nonsense out there, is the fault of Christian men of generations past who instead of taking their faith seriously, abused the positions that faith dictates, and abdicated on the duties that faith requires.

And so God, who reportedly punishes, punishes now, across generations, the faithless Christians and their neighbors alike.

So, until the jails, which are filled with fatherless criminals, become crowed with visiting faithful men who visit them, readers of this article should expect to see more 'advice' regarding how to rearrange the chairs on the Titanic.

In short, the Christian men, not overly picky silly women, are to be blamed for articles like these.

77 posted on 02/14/2008 7:40:41 AM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
For men: There is no such thing as bad sex.

You never met my ex.

78 posted on 02/14/2008 7:41:23 AM PST by Pistolshot (Remember, no matter how bad your life is, someone is watching and enjoying your suffering.)
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To: MrB
Its alright, no worries. If I recall you actually met my ex when I lived in KC at a happy hour downtown.

My ex decided apparently that she liked her men younger and latino; which can be an issue when you are married! ;) The worst was that her paramour was a communist too! Had a whole thing for Che Guevarra...I am not kidding.

Dating and the rest of my life is going well.

79 posted on 02/14/2008 7:44:18 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: reaganaut1

Ahhhh - my favorite trait in a woman: low expectations...


80 posted on 02/14/2008 7:44:59 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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